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Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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It's extremely rough around the edges but getting into fediverse content (mastodon, kbin, lemmy, etc) has been extremely rewarding to me. It's like twitter and reddit but 15 years ago (and by that I mostly mean it's janky and full of bugs. Just like the web was 15 years ago!)

For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY , even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whol…

This sounds like you want to self host, then federate with instances?

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Can servers be ad supported? Like can I run a Google ad on my own instance?

We know how much we all love ads. Let's have more of them!

Forums used to be ad supported, nothing particularly wrong with being ad supported. Problems occur when your investors expect 10x return on something ad supported.

But to have something pay for it self. I'd rather not lose money on it

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Taking into consideration how much Spez thinks of himself as a Musk, we should be expecting Reddit to implement the same feature soon. We are just sitting by the sideline watching as the internet we all loved slowly dies in the hands of greedy corporations. This is truly a sad state of affairs.

consider r/redditseppuku

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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Musk commented on this: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674865731136020505 "Temporary emergency measure. We were getting data pillaged so much that it was degrading service for normal users!"

"Data pillaging", WTF does that mean? Remember when Twitter used to give archives of tweets to the Library of Congress? And had a firehose for folks to consume as many tweets as they could?

It means Elon is a genius about cars and rockets, but apparently hasn't heard of "Cache-Control: public"

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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> This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :( The internet is fine. The highly centralized businesses that built themselves on the technology are meeting their inevitable end.

Why are centralized businesses doomed to fail? It’s been the primary organizational mode for the last 10,000 years.

Two notes on this:

One is that centralized _business_ has certainly not been the primary organizational mode. You can talk about centralized _government_ (of whatever variety you'd like), but the distinction there is that the centralized government had some sense of itself in an ecosystem - a citizenry, a land, a future, etc. - and businesses do not.

The second is that centralized entities sure wrote a bunch of stuff _down_, but it's hard to say they were the primary organizational mode for any but the last 50-200 years - the reach of serious centralized bureaucracies has only really begun to match their propaganda in the industrial and now computer age. Until extremely recently, the actual effective reach of a centralized bureaucracy was a day's horseback ride - control degrades rapidly as one leaves the core. "Heaven is high and the emperor is far away", as the saying goes.

Edit: With regards to the second note, "Against the Grain" by James C. Scott is a solid read.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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I just ran into this problem -- not being able to view tweets without logging in. As much as I hate Musk, this is clearly the trajectory of all platforms. Without a unified push towards self-hosting or the fediverse, the internet as we know it is over :(

I like how we keep pretending that any of this complicated shit is better than good old phpBB. There are no modern inventions for social interactions which made actual interactions better. They're all incomprehensible UX nightmares used mostly by the loud minority of users on the web (i.e. Twitter actively engages with only 7% of the entire internet user base) who censor each other and then fight over how to make it…

The problems with phpBB are at least two-fold:

1) discovery

If I can’t find a forum, it’s not much use to me!

2) single sign-on

I don’t want to make a million accounts for a million separate forums. I want one account that I can take with me to every forum.

Both of these issues were solved by Reddit. This was its major value-add. The user base brought all of the remaining value with them.

This is also the value of the fediverse, of which lemmy is a fine example. Yes, the technology is way more complicated than phpBB, but it solves these very challenging problems which present huge barriers to growing an individual forum (which must be overcome once again, every time for every forum).

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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It always irked me that public institutions embraced Twitter as a primary means of communication in many cases. It never seemed right that a private company was being put in between public functions and the the public which depends on them. Not to mention, since I live outside the US, a private company in another country. I even wrote complaints to one local public body to ask them to set up a communication channel t…

Facebook cut off access to Australian fire brigade pages, among others.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #31

Here's a trick to view a tweet: use the embed. https://platform.twitter.com/embed/Tweet.html?id=16748657311...

I was just going to say - lots of media companies routinely embed tweets, breaking that would be disastrous PR. Twitter is currently kept alive by media people; if they switch, the platform will die very quickly.

I wonder if this is all a result of the API price hike. Folks probably tried to keep integrations alive by scraping, so now there is a lot of extra traffic on the main site. If integrations start acting like embedded calls, they will have the same problem there soon.

Re: Twitter now requires an account to view tweets

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post #245

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It's extremely rough around the edges but getting into fediverse content (mastodon, kbin, lemmy, etc) has been extremely rewarding to me. It's like twitter and reddit but 15 years ago (and by that I mostly mean it's janky and full of bugs. Just like the web was 15 years ago!)

For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY , even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whol…

I raised issues on mastodon and plemora advancing this view a few years back, to an initially frosty reception that’s since become a grudging “nice to have but hard to add”.

My recommendation was much like MX records for email, so you can use a hosted server under your own identity.

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