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I don't consume caffeine, but Dave Arnold of the (unimpeachable) Cooking Issues podcast has a whole spiel about how Diet Coke drinkers use it as a primary source of hydration.
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Re: Aspartame sweetener to be declared possible cancer risk by WHO, say reports
#242Donald Rumsfeld was famously influential in getting aspartame's approval ; however more of the story behind this can be found here: https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8846759/Nill,_As... In 1984 the year after aspartame's approval for soft drinks, the company that held the exclusive patent on it, sold $600 million worth (1984 dollars) of it. Myself the truly distasteful part is the use of neotame (a follow-o…
> Myself the truly distasteful part is the use of neotame (a follow-on to aspartame) on animal feed, to get animals to eat feed that they normally would not; for instance, if the feed is rancid or otherwise in a condition/taste that normal animal instincts, would have the animal reject the food... What's the difference between that and humans eating a pizza but not eating the raw ingredients of a pizza? If it's not i…
Not quite following you... do you mean the difference between cooked and raw, or something else?
Re: Aspartame sweetener to be declared possible cancer risk by WHO, say reports
#243Reminder that bacon is already a known carcinogen for those worrying about artificial sweeteners but happily eating processed meats.
My understanding is that bacon itself is not the culprit of the possible (note — possible) carcinogen. The sodium nitrate that is often used as a preservative is. Nitrate-free bacon is easy to find though.
Nitrate-free bacon isn't bacon. The stuff that is marketed as nitrate-free isn't -- it's a dubiously moral marketing gimmick that is essentially untrue.
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In the UK, we have nitrate-free bacon available that is actually nitra(i)te free: https://www.betternaked.com/products/better-naked-unsmoked-b...
I'm intrigued. That seems a fair bit different than the uncured bacon I'm familiar with in the US [0], but I would certainly give it a try. [0]: https://applegate.com/products/natural-thick-cut-bacon
(Note that this product is actually cured with nitrates via the celery powder in the ingredients list.)
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I don’t see how that’s the case except for a fear of “processing”. I plug two slices of commercial whole wheat store bought bread into Cronometer and it has an impressive mineral breakdown and 14% of the day's nutrient needs.
Lack of bioavailability analysis and links between processed meat and cancer are fears... of the established scientific community.
Sure. This thread is talking about bread. Processed wheat products like bread and seitan are nutrient dense foods usually caught in the social media meme diet crossfire.
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Yeah that's like saying "sandwiches are just ground up wheat, plus a ton of delicious filling to make them taste good"
Most bread you get from a supermarket (even outside the US) is highly processed garbage, as are many common sandwich fillings (mayo, salami, margarine). The typical sandwich is probably up there with many of the other least healthy things you could eat, so yeah, ground up wheat with filling to make it taste good is probably fair.
Mayo is processed garbage?? Please explain. It’s whipped egg with lemon and oil, maybe some salt.
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#247The challenge you have here is that aspartame isn't just one of most widely studied substances in the food chain, but that it's also one of the most widely and vigorously consumed. People drink a lot of diet soda; a lot of people drink it to the exclusion of all other liquids. So it's going to be tricky to get the epidemiology to match up with the claim here: if aspartame is meaningfully carcinogenic (meaning: more t…
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What’s your point? This is a very low effort, meme comment.
Seems like a good argument to me. If aspartame is cancerous and people drink a shit ton of it wouldnt we have clear evidence? What could explain it being cancerous and not having a clear link despite its prevalence? At the very least this is an interesting point that doesnt deserve a reddit-like meme comment.
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> Myself the truly distasteful part is the use of neotame (a follow-on to aspartame) on animal feed, to get animals to eat feed that they normally would not; for instance, if the feed is rancid or otherwise in a condition/taste that normal animal instincts, would have the animal reject the food... True for human food as well. Maybe it’s not rancid, but food science can make terrible ingredients taste great. Take Dori…
Or HP sauce. Honestly I see it as a feature if we can move product that’s otherwise garbage, as long as it’s not dangerous. Reminds me of “omg do you know what’s in hotdogs?!” Hotdogs are a success story.
Tricking people's bodies into consuming garbage is a feature? For whom?
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What’s your point? This is a very low effort, meme comment. Seems like a good argument to me. If aspartame is cancerous and people drink a shit ton of it wouldnt we have clear evidence? What could explain it being cancerous and not having a clear link despite its prevalence? At the very least this is an interesting point that doesnt deserve a reddit-like meme comment.
I didn't read it as a barb! There really are Diet Coke fiends. If you don't drink a lot of diet soda, the idea of drinking it to the exclusion of all other liquids might seem pretty wacky.
Re: Aspartame sweetener to be declared possible cancer risk by WHO, say reports
#250The challenge you have here is that aspartame isn't just one of most widely studied substances in the food chain, but that it's also one of the most widely and vigorously consumed. People drink a lot of diet soda; a lot of people drink it to the exclusion of all other liquids. So it's going to be tricky to get the epidemiology to match up with the claim here: if aspartame is meaningfully carcinogenic (meaning: more t…
IARC will release it when it's ready, and it'll be here: https://www.iarc.who.int/cards_page/iarc-publications/ (probably here: https://monographs.iarc.who.int/ )
Important to remember that IARC just talks about the quality of the evidence, and not the strength of the effect. If they know that something does cause cancer it'll go into group 1, even if it only causes an additional 1 case of cancer per 100,000 population.
The IARC categories (1, 2a, 2b, 3) aren't that confusing, but they do seem to cause a lot of confusion. Here's a short summary I wrote in another place: https://tildes.net/~food/1774/aspartame_may_be_declared_a_po...