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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by dekhn »

Alex3917 wrote: post #418
theptip wrote: post #215

This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? Folks on the committees are angry that China is trolling US Navy vessels with UAVs and this isn’t being publicized. The “non-earth” origin is the smokescreen, “exotic” covers foreign secret research projects? Something a bit convoluted like this is orders of magnitude more probable in my world model. (…

> This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? No. The USA has spent the last several decades putting most of its military budget into aircraft carriers, which will all be sunk within the first 24 hours of any conflict with China. This is just a last ditch effort to try to trick China into thinking we might have some kind of deterrent.

How do you sink an aircraft carrier? Not very easily, technically speaking.

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Post by mike_hearn »

RetpolineDrama wrote: post #382
tptacek wrote: post #306

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As I understand it, that video illustrates either a camera glare artifact, or alien technology very carefully tuned to replicate a camera glare artifact.

You understand it wrong, this is a spurious and frankly absurd claim propagated by Mick West, which has been repeatedly debunked by _actual fighter pilots_. Ex: https://youtu.be/Tyw4JA00AMc

West replied to that video here:

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/f-16-pilot-chris-lehto-anal...

Lehto makes some incorrect statements about optics in his videos, so I wouldn't rely on his views too heavily.

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Post by berniedurfee »

dekhn wrote: post #399
themagician wrote: post #272

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This is a push by the DoD to make American's believe in US military and intelligence superiority—only a supremely powerful government would be able to coverup the existence of extraterrestrial life for 50+ years. World order is changing. China is a rising military power. People may even see foreign spy aircraft (e.g. Chinese weather balloons) over US airspace. The DoD would rather you believe it's aliens. This kind o…

Are you really comparing China to the US in terms of military power? China just finished their first domestic aircraft carrier, and the current military hasn't really been in any major war. In the meantime, the US has continually maintained a state of readiness and nearly constant wars while modernizing its fleet. But you had to just go 9/11 Truther which means nobody here should really be paying attention to you.

First domestic aircraft carrier that is a copy of a broken Russian aircraft carrier they bought at a garage sale, right?

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Post by barbariangrunge »

pc86 wrote: post #621
barbariangrunge wrote: post #599

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> Life is banal. I wouldn't word it like that

Why not?

> banal: so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring.

People going to work every day while there are bombs dropping, in the middle of a war, trying to keep the exchange of goods going so they can pay for the war and to survive, is not banal. It's not obvious that people would go to work in a war zone, and it's not boring, and in many times in history people did not go to work during a war (except for farmers, whose lives depended on it)

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Post by [deleted] »

reso wrote: post #638
colanderman wrote: post #575

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"Gimbal" is a speck of dust (or fly, or bird poo) on the lens of a gimbal-mounted heat-tracking camera. The entire video is predictable given the physics of such a device [1]. Not my idea, it's been around since this news first broke [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20019375 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15961848

Mick West’s analysis involves the gimbal lock idea, which I am convinced of, but he claims that the infrared shadow is the shape that a two engine plane gives off when it is at an angle, and one engine is occluded by the plane’s body. This seems more plausible to me than dust on the dome, which I imagine those sensors must have some way of handling or they would be useless.

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Post by colanderman »

seren wrote: post #629
colanderman wrote: post #614

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The history of UFO sightings is nothing but eyewitness testimony, often from groups of people. If there weren't a video this wouldn't have escaped the tabloids. Adding a video which is a textbook demonstration of gimbal+heat tracking behavior does not lend weight to their testimony. EDIT: The testimony you quoted isn't even associated with "Gimbal", it's associated with the decade-earlier "FLIR" video.

But according to Fravor's report, the 2 planes were sent there by their ship because the radar at picked up something. So it means that if it is made up, it involves the 2 pilots and their 2 weapons specialist, plus an undetermined number of radar operators, and their chain of command in the USS Princeton who dispatched them. So from my understanding, it was picked up by at least one type of sensor. There is still a…

I am not a military person, but I would assume that "radar picked up something" is a pretty common reason for planes to be in the air. This time, there just happened also to be something on the lens of the FLIR camera.

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Post by apocalyptic0n3 »

asdff wrote: post #635
apocalyptic0n3 wrote: post #271

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> I would think that knowledge of ETs would be very destabilizing for our society. Why go into work the next day if there are literal ETs visiting our planet? Why pay taxes? Why fight for generals who have lied to you? Why worship your god? Maybe I'm being naive, but unless there was an imminent invasion, I don't think it would change most lives at all in any significant way. You go to work because you need to eat an…

I'm sorry, but this would be an entire paradigm shift of how we see ourselves as a species. To think people would show up to work on monday I think is uncertain. We would be going from a millenia of human primacy on this planet to having these unknown apex predators lurking with unknown intentions. It's so completely unprecedented that it would be hard to imagine there wouldn't be social unrest, and major dissatisfac…

If any of that were true, this "secret cabal" that really runs the world wouldn't have allowed these things to be revealed in the first place. If they did, they're either inept because they couldn't see the scenario coming that you did or they don't actually control as much as you are suggesting they would (or don't exist at all).

This just comes across as conspiracy mongering. Yes, there will be people who think like that but those people already think like that. There wouldn't be some mass collapse in society or government. The most that would happen is people would be interested in the information released, acknowledge the government has secrets just like they did yesterday, and move on with life.

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Post by midoridensha »

jncfhnb wrote: post #618
midoridensha wrote: post #553

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>Personally I don't believe it's aliens. I find it incredibly unlikely that alien races would send crewed ships here and then be clumsy enough to crash them or get shot down. It's unlikely, but it's possible. Maybe the aliens are rather primitive technologically, and have weapons technology similar to cannons from sailing ships in the 1700s (and spacecraft technology otherwise resembling our early 1970s craft), but t…

Every time aliens come up on HN, someone brings up this idea, and then references that one sci fi story, and then the discourse “well that’s dumb as hell but the story was fun”. My dude if there is some aspect of physics that would allow for teleportation by low tech people, the earth would be annihilated by some dudes whim or accident with a month

>My dude if there is some aspect of physics that would allow for teleportation by low tech people, the earth would be annihilated by some dudes whim or accident with a month

Maybe low tech aliens stumble upon the remnants of some (other) alien race and figure out how to salvage their warp drives, but can't get the rest working.

The universe is big. Maybe the warlike Pacleds just haven't found us yet. If they're low-tech (aside from FTL), they probably haven't figured out how to do long-range astronomy to look for habitable worlds either.

Obviously the whole idea is a big stretch, but damn this site sure seems to have a LOT of people who are completely and utterly lacking a sense of humor.

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Post by jncfhnb »

midoridensha wrote: post #648
jncfhnb wrote: post #618

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Every time aliens come up on HN, someone brings up this idea, and then references that one sci fi story, and then the discourse “well that’s dumb as hell but the story was fun”. My dude if there is some aspect of physics that would allow for teleportation by low tech people, the earth would be annihilated by some dudes whim or accident with a month

>My dude if there is some aspect of physics that would allow for teleportation by low tech people, the earth would be annihilated by some dudes whim or accident with a month Maybe low tech aliens stumble upon the remnants of some (other) alien race and figure out how to salvage their warp drives, but can't get the rest working. The universe is big. Maybe the warlike Pacleds just haven't found us yet. If they're low-t…

There’s no such thing as low tech aside from FTL. If you have FTL you have weapons of mass destruction orders more powerful than anything we have. And energy sources greater than anything we have.

It’s not humorous when people bring the same idea up every time and defend it sincerely.

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Post by pc86 »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #644
pc86 wrote: post #621

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Why not?

> banal: so lacking in originality as to be obvious and boring. People going to work every day while there are bombs dropping, in the middle of a war, trying to keep the exchange of goods going so they can pay for the war and to survive, is not banal. It's not obvious that people would go to work in a war zone, and it's not boring, and in many times in history people did not go to work during a war (except for farmer…

They didn't say war is banal, they said life is - which it is. Going to work every day, going to the gym, making dinner, doing laundry. Most of it's boring, and a lot of it you have to do whether or not something 100 miles away is getting bombed.
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