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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by mjan22640 »

nobody9999 wrote: post #609
z7 wrote: post #509

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Not the parent, but how do you explain something like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C.,_UFO_inc...

>Not the parent, but how do you explain something like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C.,_UFO_inc ... I don't have to. Your link did so for me: "At the request of the Air Force, the CAA's Technical Development and Evaluation Center did an analysis of the radar sightings. Their conclusion was that "a temperature inversion had been indicated in almost every instance when the unidentified radar t…

A temperature inversion or another atmospheric phenomena would move at wind speed, not at an "unbelievable" speed.

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Post by runald »

mcpackieh wrote: post #604
runald wrote: post #590

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It's called circular reasoning. Conclusion cites the premises, which in turn the premises cite the conclusion. Evidence (or lack of) is used to prove it self. When you start with a false or circular premise, anything that follows is technically true. It's a powerful (bullshitting) tool that can be used to prove or disprove anything.

It's bayesian reasoning. If I tell you that I predict the sun will explode tomorrow, you should consider the sun's track record of not exploding when evaluating my claim.

There's no bayesian reasoning here, just someone assuming something to be proved to be already true. Statements don't become self-evidently true just because someone assigned probabilities on them.

Also, using only past billion occurrences of the sun not blowing up, and then still concluding that the sun will not blow up despite of any recent indications of the sun showing anomalous activity seems a more accurate analogy.

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Post by colanderman »

z7 wrote: post #606
colanderman wrote: post #575

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"Gimbal" is a speck of dust (or fly, or bird poo) on the lens of a gimbal-mounted heat-tracking camera. The entire video is predictable given the physics of such a device [1]. Not my idea, it's been around since this news first broke [2]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20019375 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15961848

How does one explain the eyewitness testimony of the 4 people involved? >Fravor reported that he saw an object, white and oval, hovering above an ocean disturbance. He estimated that the object was about 40 feet (12 m) long.[7][4] Fravor and another pilot, Alex Dietrich, said in an interview that a total of four people (two pilots and two weapons systems officers in the back seats of the two airplanes) witnessed the…

The history of UFO sightings is nothing but eyewitness testimony, often from groups of people. If there weren't a video this wouldn't have escaped the tabloids.

Adding a video which is a textbook demonstration of gimbal+heat tracking behavior does not lend weight to their testimony.

EDIT: The testimony you quoted isn't even associated with "Gimbal", it's associated with the decade-earlier "FLIR" video.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

mhoad wrote: post #608
TechBro8615 wrote: post #541

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Wow, very convincing argument, you must be a professional spy with all your more-than-passing familiarity with intelligence agencies , I bow down to your totally rational viewpoint on the world where government agencies follow all laws and aliens routinely crash their flying craft for our venerable government agencies to recover and (legally, of course!) keep secret from us for seven decades.

This is like talking with a child. I’m going to leave you to it. Good luck.

You offered nothing of substance in any of your comments other than bragging about your familiarity with intelligence agencies.

I'd like to hear your explanation for the subject of the article that doesn't involve the government lying or breaking the law in some capacity.

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Post by jncfhnb »

postalrat wrote: post #570
jncfhnb wrote: post #547

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I find the gimbal one to be… really dumb. The navy releases a video called gimbal and doesn’t say anything. Later experts look at it and say, “looks like gimbal lock”. And what… people don’t believe that the navy also concluded it was gimbal lock?

Based not on the video but on the testimony of the pilots.

Ok but like, wouldn’t it make more sense to believe the pilot saw something and it was not the thing captured on video?

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Post by cyberneticist »

dekhn wrote: post #399
themagician wrote: post #272

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This is a push by the DoD to make American's believe in US military and intelligence superiority—only a supremely powerful government would be able to coverup the existence of extraterrestrial life for 50+ years. World order is changing. China is a rising military power. People may even see foreign spy aircraft (e.g. Chinese weather balloons) over US airspace. The DoD would rather you believe it's aliens. This kind o…

Are you really comparing China to the US in terms of military power? China just finished their first domestic aircraft carrier, and the current military hasn't really been in any major war. In the meantime, the US has continually maintained a state of readiness and nearly constant wars while modernizing its fleet. But you had to just go 9/11 Truther which means nobody here should really be paying attention to you.

People are just stupid on this topic.

The moment the Rubicon is crossed, both the US and China would fall into an all out economic depression and that is exactly why that Rubicon will not be crossed in my lifetime.

This might be an issue at some point if you just graduated high school but for now we have mutually assured economic destruction.

I am far more worried about a debt bomb going off in China than a real bomb.

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Post by jncfhnb »

midoridensha wrote: post #553
JohnBooty wrote: post #539

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But lack of firsthand evidence of ETA's does not constitute evidence of the existence of ETA's I said this. So... yeah, agreed. The rest of this: I don't care, except that you have to work yourself into contortions to simultaneously argue that all firsthand reporting of ETA's has been stymied by legal threats from DoD Your logic is incorrect. First, the whistleblower protection is new. It hasn't been around very long…

>Personally I don't believe it's aliens. I find it incredibly unlikely that alien races would send crewed ships here and then be clumsy enough to crash them or get shot down. It's unlikely, but it's possible. Maybe the aliens are rather primitive technologically, and have weapons technology similar to cannons from sailing ships in the 1700s (and spacecraft technology otherwise resembling our early 1970s craft), but t…

Every time aliens come up on HN, someone brings up this idea, and then references that one sci fi story, and then the discourse “well that’s dumb as hell but the story was fun”.

My dude if there is some aspect of physics that would allow for teleportation by low tech people, the earth would be annihilated by some dudes whim or accident with a month

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Post by lithos »

theptip wrote: post #215

This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? Folks on the committees are angry that China is trolling US Navy vessels with UAVs and this isn’t being publicized. The “non-earth” origin is the smokescreen, “exotic” covers foreign secret research projects? Something a bit convoluted like this is orders of magnitude more probable in my world model. (…

Washington Power Brokers are just mad that they can't trade favors for access to foreign "skunkworks" style projects. Tons of power and corruption they're missing out on for trading access to such tech.

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Post by pohl »

nobody9999 wrote: post #453
pohl wrote: post #408

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There's no way that could be Watergate-squared. The defining characteristic of Watergate was the audio tapes, so this has to be a reference to the "Bring some Cokes in, please" recording.

>There's no way that could be Watergate-squared. The defining characteristic of Watergate was the audio tapes, so this has to be a reference to the "Bring some Cokes in, please" recording. I have to disagree. The defining characteristic of Watergate was the illegal (break-ins to steal political opponents' strategies and psychiatrists files) activities by a political organization (CREEP[0]) that were then covered up b…

Even under that different defining characteristic, the analogue would be the same modern event: the recording that gives lie to the cover-up narrative that he had used his psychic declassification superpowers.
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