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Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
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Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
It certainly says something about your faith in your own product when you try to contractually prevent your customers from publishing performance information about their experience.
Or that it's easy to contrive a benchmark to show anything you want, and they don't want the negative press.
Gonna be a lot of negative press when your shit sucks.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a very misleading set of partial quotes to assemble in that order... Ellison wasn't confused about any of the technical topics around cloud computing. He was complaining about the marketing trend at the time of slapping the "cloud computing" buzzword on all kinds of things that already existed. This is a thing that happens in the tech world a lot, and it is pretty annoying. A more modern example is the over-us…
No, he’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s basically saying cloud computing is nothing, just a redefinition of existing computing. He’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s saying that cloud computing is only marketing. Clearly he was wrong.
Was he clearly wrong though? I listened through the whole clip and it seems like he was spot on to me. Steve Jobs made similar comments about cloud in the 90s - it’s really just mainframe 2.0.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a very misleading set of partial quotes to assemble in that order... Ellison wasn't confused about any of the technical topics around cloud computing. He was complaining about the marketing trend at the time of slapping the "cloud computing" buzzword on all kinds of things that already existed. This is a thing that happens in the tech world a lot, and it is pretty annoying. A more modern example is the over-us…
No, he’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s basically saying cloud computing is nothing, just a redefinition of existing computing. He’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s saying that cloud computing is only marketing. Clearly he was wrong.
He's wrong like those "There is no cloud, it's just someone else's computer" t-shirts are wrong.
IE: not wrong, but too literal and short sighted.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
It certainly says something about your faith in your own product when you try to contractually prevent your customers from publishing performance information about their experience.
Or that it's easy to contrive a benchmark to show anything you want, and they don't want the negative press.
Those results could be countered or refuted by Oracle themselves or other users. This is just shady.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#36They don't even bother trying to make this sound believable. You claim it's 1.5x-2x faster? Sure I might believe that despite your prohibition against benchmarks. 10x faster? You better show how your engineers pulled out that miracle. 1000x? You've either picked out a very weird edge case, used something in a way it's not meant to be used, or just made that up. Anyone who's done any serious benchmarking in a competit…
It's MySQL Heatwave. Pretty sure this is referring to analytics usage.
Clickhouse has a similar claim.
If you look at https://benchmark.clickhouse.com/ and pick Clickhouse and Aurora for MySQL you get something in that ballpark. Heatwave claims to be faster than both Snowflake and Clickhouse.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
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Funny to see this now, when thinking about a response he gave to the question 'what the hell is cloud computing', way back in ~2009: "it is the most nonsensical .. maybe I'm an idiot, it's really just complete gibberish..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0
That's a very misleading set of partial quotes to assemble in that order... Ellison wasn't confused about any of the technical topics around cloud computing. He was complaining about the marketing trend at the time of slapping the "cloud computing" buzzword on all kinds of things that already existed. This is a thing that happens in the tech world a lot, and it is pretty annoying. A more modern example is the over-us…
https://youtu.be/0FacYAI6DY0?t=57
Should have had an ellipsis between the 2nd and 3rd bit, but the intent wasn't altered. He's calling it gibberish and nonsense.
I wasn't trying to imply that he actually was confused, I was trying to show how he thought the term was gibberish.
I mean, who would take seriously the thought that Ellison actually thought of himself as an idiot.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#38> We use this very fast RDMA network, and we start with that. And in our Gen2 Cloud, our entire network is a super-fast network, which means that most of the applications you run in the Oracle Cloud are going to be much faster than our competitors’ clouds because they don’t use that kind of network. So we have huge cost advantages. So instead of giving actual metrics, just say "very fast", "super-fast" and "much fast…
Gives a very Trump-like feeling.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
It certainly says something about your faith in your own product when you try to contractually prevent your customers from publishing performance information about their experience.
Or that it's easy to contrive a benchmark to show anything you want, and they don't want the negative press.
Then why doesn't every other piece of software in the world ban benchmarks? Is Oracle really leading the charge into the future?
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Python vs C/C++/Rust/Zig has even more startling performance differences. If you’re looking for benchmarks of the same classes of software, among techempower benchmarks, the fastest on the charts are often well over 1000x faster. Being 1000x slower than shit needs to be is, very literally, the default state of the vast majority of software today. I don’t even blink at 1000x claims cause that’s just the standard gains…
Perhaps, but Python vs C is hardly an apples-for-apples comparison. I could get 1000x differences benchmarking Aurora vs Redis for example. That's what I meant by "used in a way not meant to be used". Broadly speaking, there's plenty of public benchmarks indicating that a properly-configured Aurora is within the same order magnitude as a properly-configured RDS Postgres which is in the same ballpark as MySQL. That's…
> That's an indication to me that Aurora isn't fundamentally broken in some way, making a 1000x claim quite extraordinary.
This isn't the open source MySQL being compared. MySQL Heatwave is an in-memory analytics cluster that works as a MySQL plugin. It's cloud only.
In a way it's similar to AlloyDB from GCP, which has similar style claims (maybe not 1000x)