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Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
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Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#22They don't even bother trying to make this sound believable. You claim it's 1.5x-2x faster? Sure I might believe that despite your prohibition against benchmarks. 10x faster? You better show how your engineers pulled out that miracle. 1000x? You've either picked out a very weird edge case, used something in a way it's not meant to be used, or just made that up. Anyone who's done any serious benchmarking in a competit…
Python vs C/C++/Rust/Zig has even more startling performance differences. If you’re looking for benchmarks of the same classes of software, among techempower benchmarks, the fastest on the charts are often well over 1000x faster. Being 1000x slower than shit needs to be is, very literally, the default state of the vast majority of software today. I don’t even blink at 1000x claims cause that’s just the standard gains…
Perhaps, but Python vs C is hardly an apples-for-apples comparison. I could get 1000x differences benchmarking Aurora vs Redis for example. That's what I meant by "used in a way not meant to be used".
Broadly speaking, there's plenty of public benchmarks indicating that a properly-configured Aurora is within the same order magnitude as a properly-configured RDS Postgres which is in the same ballpark as MySQL. That's an indication to me that Aurora isn't fundamentally broken in some way, making a 1000x claim quite extraordinary.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#23Guess which one you can't benchmark and publish results on.
It really is amazing. From Oracle's Service Agreement: 4.2 You may not, or cause or permit others to: perform or disclose any benchmark or performance tests of the Services, including the Oracle Programs, without Oracle’s prior written consent; It's nuts!
It certainly says something about your faith in your own product when you try to contractually prevent your customers from publishing performance information about their experience.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#24They don't even bother trying to make this sound believable. You claim it's 1.5x-2x faster? Sure I might believe that despite your prohibition against benchmarks. 10x faster? You better show how your engineers pulled out that miracle. 1000x? You've either picked out a very weird edge case, used something in a way it's not meant to be used, or just made that up. Anyone who's done any serious benchmarking in a competit…
Python vs C/C++/Rust/Zig has even more startling performance differences. If you’re looking for benchmarks of the same classes of software, among techempower benchmarks, the fastest on the charts are often well over 1000x faster. Being 1000x slower than shit needs to be is, very literally, the default state of the vast majority of software today. I don’t even blink at 1000x claims cause that’s just the standard gains…
Maybe if you compare the fastest to the slowest. But if actually compare the fastest options in each language, you rarely see things past a 10-20x slowdown.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#25> We use this very fast RDMA network, and we start with that. And in our Gen2 Cloud, our entire network is a super-fast network, which means that most of the applications you run in the Oracle Cloud are going to be much faster than our competitors’ clouds because they don’t use that kind of network. So we have huge cost advantages. So instead of giving actual metrics, just say "very fast", "super-fast" and "much fast…
He's the CEO, not the CTO. I don't recall Bezos ever giving a deep-dive talk about the metrics of AWS's networking stack. He left that to his tech folks.
I have absolutely no love for Ellison as you can see in my post history, but it's a bit silly to expect detailed tech specs from the CEO of a company on an earnings call with a bunch of investors that would have no idea what he was talking about if he did.
*I did in fact forget he changed his title when he gave co-CEO to Safra Catz and Hurd to rescue Hurd and not lose Catz in what was another of a long list of ethically questionable moves. It doesn't change the fact that he's completely removed from the technical details of their products and has been for 20+ years.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny to see this now, when thinking about a response he gave to the question 'what the hell is cloud computing', way back in ~2009: "it is the most nonsensical .. maybe I'm an idiot, it's really just complete gibberish..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0
That's a very misleading set of partial quotes to assemble in that order... Ellison wasn't confused about any of the technical topics around cloud computing. He was complaining about the marketing trend at the time of slapping the "cloud computing" buzzword on all kinds of things that already existed. This is a thing that happens in the tech world a lot, and it is pretty annoying. A more modern example is the over-us…
No, he’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s basically saying cloud computing is nothing, just a redefinition of existing computing. He’s not complaining about the marketing. He’s saying that cloud computing is only marketing. Clearly he was wrong.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#27My homemade database is 1,000x faster that Oracle in benchmarks. No you can't see it. It goes to a different school.
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Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#28> We use this very fast RDMA network, and we start with that. And in our Gen2 Cloud, our entire network is a super-fast network, which means that most of the applications you run in the Oracle Cloud are going to be much faster than our competitors’ clouds because they don’t use that kind of network. So we have huge cost advantages. So instead of giving actual metrics, just say "very fast", "super-fast" and "much fast…
He's the CEO, not the CTO. I don't recall Bezos ever giving a deep-dive talk about the metrics of AWS's networking stack. He left that to his tech folks. I have absolutely no love for Ellison as you can see in my post history, but it's a bit silly to expect detailed tech specs from the CEO of a company on an earnings call with a bunch of investors that would have no idea what he was talking about if he did. *I did in…
he's actually the CTO.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really is amazing. From Oracle's Service Agreement: 4.2 You may not, or cause or permit others to: perform or disclose any benchmark or performance tests of the Services, including the Oracle Programs, without Oracle’s prior written consent; It's nuts!
It certainly says something about your faith in your own product when you try to contractually prevent your customers from publishing performance information about their experience.
Or that it's easy to contrive a benchmark to show anything you want, and they don't want the negative press.
Re: Larry Ellison: Oracle Database 1,000x Faster Than AWS Aurora
#30> We use this very fast RDMA network, and we start with that. And in our Gen2 Cloud, our entire network is a super-fast network, which means that most of the applications you run in the Oracle Cloud are going to be much faster than our competitors’ clouds because they don’t use that kind of network. So we have huge cost advantages. So instead of giving actual metrics, just say "very fast", "super-fast" and "much fast…
He's the CEO, not the CTO. I don't recall Bezos ever giving a deep-dive talk about the metrics of AWS's networking stack. He left that to his tech folks. I have absolutely no love for Ellison as you can see in my post history, but it's a bit silly to expect detailed tech specs from the CEO of a company on an earnings call with a bunch of investors that would have no idea what he was talking about if he did. *I did in…
He is in fact the CTO