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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by devnullbrain »

jjoonathan wrote: post #41
moss2 wrote: post #35

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You don't need Windows for gaming any more. Ubuntu 22.04 comes with graphics drivers. Steam has Steam Play and Lutris has a huge library of install scripts, so everything is handled for you. The one thing you will need to do occasionally is experiment with different Wine distributions. This means you will need to right click on your game and select the distribution from a drop-down box. Exhausting, I know.

Did linux eventually get HDR support or is it still one (of many) sacrifices you make to game on linux?

FWIW, desktop Windows 10 HDR is broken too.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by sgjohnson »

gramie wrote: post #562
sgjohnson wrote: post #559

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> Then try to run it from the command line. Be told that it "cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified". This is NOT the "is an app downloaded from the Internet, do you wish to run it?" dialog. Yes, you get the “developer cannot be verified” error if the code isn’t signed. Which is perfectly fine, I don’t see how this is anti-consumer. It’s $99 for a code signing cert (per developer account) on macOS/…

Yes, but the dialog doesn't tell you what to do if you do want to run the code. Why would I think that clicking "Open" in the popup menu would do anything different from double-clicking? Also, an individual Microsoft Store cert is $19 (one-time, not per year), and a company account is $99.

So what? The average user is going to assume that it can’t be run (which is a good thing, as we don’t want people to run random unsigned binaries they find on the internet), and the tech-savvy ones will find a way.

It’s not like Apple is stopping you from running it. 1 quick google search and there you go. It’s a good design, in my opinion.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by procarch2019 »

Krssst wrote: post #219
procarch2019 wrote: post #63

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I think anyone using outlook is probably using it out of necessity for work. Not everyone can just jump to Linux when they work in a company.

The web version of Outlook probably works well on other OSes.

As pointed out elsewhere. My comment wasn’t really on outlook itself. There are other things that bind me to MS ecosystem.

I’m sure that’s true for a lot of people.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by procarch2019 »

jfhufl wrote: post #301
extr0pian wrote: post #206

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I'm using Thunderbird on Linux with an Outlook work account. Granted, I have to pay for 'Owl for Exchange' for it work, but I absolutely hate the Outlook program, I'm willing to fork out the $10/yr of my own money just to avoid it.

If you still have IMAP access, thunderbird supports OAuth2 for connecting to O365 IMAP. tbsync for calendar access. Seems to work pretty well currently.

No more IMAP

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by procarch2019 »

extr0pian wrote: post #206
procarch2019 wrote: post #63

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I think anyone using outlook is probably using it out of necessity for work. Not everyone can just jump to Linux when they work in a company.

I'm using Thunderbird on Linux with an Outlook work account. Granted, I have to pay for 'Owl for Exchange' for it work, but I absolutely hate the Outlook program, I'm willing to fork out the $10/yr of my own money just to avoid it.

Need MS for other toolings

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by hnfong »

CSMastermind wrote: post #428
aerzen wrote: post #189

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Hmmm, interesting. How would this be implemented in practice? EU passing laws about specific things that Microsoft should and shouldn't do?

Just eliminate vertical integration in the space. Enforce the kernel team must be separate from the application layer - let other people build operating system UIs on top of the kernel. For the operating system team to be separated from the product teams. Even go further and unbundle the product teams - make office separate from bing which is separate from edge, etc. Just make sure you also do it to Apple, Google, et…

While what you're proposing is probably in the spirit of antitrust laws, the actual effect would be the US perceiving this to be an "economic act of war" not unlike the economic sanctions they have been dealing out lately...

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by devnullbrain »

chillbill wrote: post #160

> Ultimately though, if this experience isn't right for you, you can turn off this feature the first time it launches in Microsoft Edge, and then in Outlook settings at any time after that.

Thus making it 3 places you have to tell Windows what your default browser is

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by devnullbrain »

dcow wrote: post #202

Devil’s advocate: Microsoft, an ethically unclean company, is justified in using this tactic to compete with Google, because (a) Google did it to acquire Chrome users in the first place, and (b) breaking the browser hegemony at a user mindshare level (not rendering engine level) is worth some UX pain. Note on (a): some will argue a difference between Google advertising Chrome on Google’s property (something they coul…

Google's behaviour is also bad but it is ahistorical to describe it as Google doing it first. Microsoft did it first, got sued, and lost. We're still being punished today with the fallout from the technical decisions made by Microsoft trying to prove IE was an integral part of the OS - if the file explorer crashes, your toolbar does too.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

oefnak wrote: post #430
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #399

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I really don't get this battery life complaint. What kind of system are you running? On my thinkpad, arch install squeezes 9 hours after 7 years of use. On a dell XPS I'd get about 13 hours with the gpu disabled and display set to 1440p instead of 4k. Sure you might say "but I need my GPU and 4k 15'' display" to which I reply eh maybe but I don't.

Incredible. Can you post your configuration? On my XPS15 that's about 4 or 5 years old, I can get max 2.5 hours with the GPU disabled and 1920×1080 resolution.

I didn't do anything special.Years ago the xps15 had some issues installing linux, there was a git repo with a special post install script to get the drivers sorted. Dell fan control can be weird but this was many years ago at this point.

I have a normal ubuntu install, I use the i3wm to reduce general load. Resolution set to 1440p with xrandr, no scale adjustments. GPU disabled, totally on intel graphics.

My xps is about 4.5 years old right now, I have replaced the battery when it started to swell slightly, the replacement was salvaged from another and even worse, so after a year I put the original battery back in.

I honestly think the biggest thing is a tiling wm. Any time I go from full gnome to i3wm, my battery life gets an instant 3 hour bonus.

Big ole note, because of the age and battery degradation, i can squeeze about 6-7 hours out of with if I limit myself to a single firefox window and text editors. When it was brand new, 13 hours of normal use was totally doable.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

heleninboodler wrote: post #498
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #399

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I really don't get this battery life complaint. What kind of system are you running? On my thinkpad, arch install squeezes 9 hours after 7 years of use. On a dell XPS I'd get about 13 hours with the gpu disabled and display set to 1440p instead of 4k. Sure you might say "but I need my GPU and 4k 15'' display" to which I reply eh maybe but I don't.

My ThinkPad running linux gets absolutely fantastic battery life with the exception that when I close it and put it in my backpack, I have about a 25% chance of discovering later that, while closed, it turned the screen on and and ran the fans at full speed to kill the battery because it was, I don't know... bored of being in a bag?

I've noticed once in a blue moon, my thinkpad will get the screen state reversed if I close and open it too fast, interrupting the standby sequence. I wonder if its bouncing open in the bag?

Mine's a 4th gen X1 carbon with an ancient Antergos install from 2016 that I converted to normal arch after they closed the project. i3wm, probably some thinkpad specific tweaks from the arch wiki but the machine is so damn stable I rarely think about it.

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