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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by bombela »

captn3m0 wrote: post #371
bombela wrote: post #344

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I came to assume the battery only exists to act as an uninterruptible power supply as I travel to the next power outlet ;) It feels like over the past 10y Linux only went from 2h to 3h of battery life. While MacBook went from 3h to 13h.

You’re comparing an OS with a specific device. In the union case (Asahi Linux on MacBook), the battery life is much higher than 3h. Not yet 13, but soon should be close.

Let's hope it will be close. MacBook has twice the battery capacity as a run of the mill thinkpad. So 6h of battery would be the default I expect. More than that, and I will be impressed.

Note that I have been using Linux for 20y. And I fully accept the short battery life in exchange of the tooling and freedom I get with Linux.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by autoexec »

chankstein38 wrote: post #177
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

Yeah I've complained on here about that as well. I'm not sure what they think they're doing but that made me want to stay as far away from Edge as possible. They really think they're going to win me over by creepily watching my downloads and popping stuff up the whole time I'm in the process of installing it?

never mind putting people off edge, they risk getting sick of outlook! If my company had a product that was deeply embedded and collecting massive amounts of detailed information about the inner workings of so many companies across so many industries the last thing I'd do is risk scaring them off my product by making it more annoying. The insights MS must gain from the data they pull out of outlook (and office in general) is worth a hell of a lot more than an increase in edge users.

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Post by 8note »

splendor_spoon wrote: post #113
hospitalJail wrote: post #86

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Apple sells the ability to be part of an 'in-group'. People don't buy their phones for their computing abilities, they do it to have access to other Apple users. Its a psychology trick that took decades of marketing to pull off, but they are deeply entrenched as someone's identity. These users have a religious devotion and will defend them, because an attack on Apple is an attack on them and their group. If you don't…

This is such a funny take I see so often parroted by the self proclaimed ‘out-crowd’. Your need to feel different and therefore superior clouds your judgment. Some users like iPhones since they are reliable and consistent, exactly like a phone should be.

Which is also what a computer should be, and thus why windows should only allow edge

I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who wants an unreliable and inconsistent laptop

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Post by zgluck »

23B1 wrote: post #386

The sooner we realize that 'product managers' and 'UX designers' are now as bad as used car salesmen and NFT hucksters, the better. I'm sorry, I LOVE building products and I LOVE design... but these fields have become grift central. No disrespect to folks in these fields, but remember how you came into this field talking about usability, cooperation, beautiful typography, color theory? Bring those back.

Microsoft has always been horrible at building web-based products. Recently they are also horrible at building Windows-based products. And at building Windows.

But VSCode is okay, for now!

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Post by flagrant_taco »

basch wrote: post #388
SebastianKra wrote: post #305

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Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

Battery throttling doesn’t fit the rest of these. Preventing a device reboot is pro consumer.

Shipping a device that will overheat and reboot when the device is a couple years old and fixing it by silently throttling the device isn't pro consumer either

Those devices really should have been recalled or offered a generous trade-in value to account for the fundamental design flaw

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Post by bilegeek »

philistine wrote: post #404
skeaker wrote: post #334

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I think at some point the onus lies with the games that have Windows as a requirement. Them having that mandate at all is what's feeding the power Windows has over computing. Of course that also relies on people playing those games so you could still in some way blame them, but gaming has hit such a critical mass that certain games will always be sustainable regardless of how predatory they are. At that point if you…

With Valve finally managing to make fetch happen, any large company starting a project today must consider the value of releasing on Linux for Steam Deck. The problem is the games coming in the next years started development five years ago.

The real sore spot is with multiplayer anticheat, about 50/50 according to https://areweanticheatyet.com/ ... plus maybe a few singleplayer games with draconian DRM. Otherwise, things usually just work with the occasional hiccup (those hiccups, in all fairness, can be a real PITA to resolve though from my experience; but things are getting better with time too!)

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Post by soraminazuki »

Eduard wrote: post #348
codetrotter wrote: post #324

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Google seems just as bad tbh. The only browser I have installed on my phone is Safari but when I click links in YouTube it always asks which browser I want to open the link in. Safari or Chrome. No I don’t want to install your shit browser on my phone Google. Kindly frick off.

> Google seems just as bad tbh. It is a difference for Google to advertise their browser on their properties (eg Youtube) versus Apple hijacking the search bar of some other browser, and in general not allowing third parties to provide full browsers in the Apple App Store (and not just a shim which mandatorily has to use Safari behind the curtains)

> versus Apple hijacking the search bar of some other browser

A difference that's moot because it never happened.

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Post by CSMastermind »

aerzen wrote: post #189
ho_schi wrote: post #108

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Dear European-Union! How about enforcing direct control about Microsoft business? Not just another “low” fine in the ten to twenty billion range. Just stopping Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon. Enforcing AT&T to not enter any new business worked well. In consequence we got UNIX, C, open-source and documentation and finally the TCP/IP-stack of BSD, GNU and Linux. This had a positive effect for the complet…

Hmmm, interesting. How would this be implemented in practice? EU passing laws about specific things that Microsoft should and shouldn't do?

Just eliminate vertical integration in the space.

Enforce the kernel team must be separate from the application layer - let other people build operating system UIs on top of the kernel.

For the operating system team to be separated from the product teams.

Even go further and unbundle the product teams - make office separate from bing which is separate from edge, etc.

Just make sure you also do it to Apple, Google, etc.

This is what the US almost did in the 90s.

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Post by twobitshifter »

madars wrote: post #328
SebastianKra wrote: post #305

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Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

Don't forget making SMS in unreadable neon green (to the point that it violates Apple's own accessibility guidelines https://archive.is/4nSWV ) "iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove [an] obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones" -- an actual quote from the SVP of Software Engineering in charge of iOS, revealed in Epic Games v Apple court discovery https://storage.courtlistener.com/reca…

The color thing is an urban legend. Original iPhone chat bubbles were green pre-Apple having an alternative to SMS. The messages icon is green. For some reason Apple thought messages should be green.

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Post by oefnak »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #399
buro9 wrote: post #229

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WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows. Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with. This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work. PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingl…

I really don't get this battery life complaint. What kind of system are you running? On my thinkpad, arch install squeezes 9 hours after 7 years of use. On a dell XPS I'd get about 13 hours with the gpu disabled and display set to 1440p instead of 4k. Sure you might say "but I need my GPU and 4k 15'' display" to which I reply eh maybe but I don't.

Incredible. Can you post your configuration? On my XPS15 that's about 4 or 5 years old, I can get max 2.5 hours with the GPU disabled and 1920×1080 resolution.
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