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Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by zwily »

dghughes wrote: post #87
constantly wrote: post #36

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Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…

But Lucid Air Sapphire blows Tesla Plaid out of the water better top speed, range, interior, just nicer, better quality, and a not stupid steering wheel.

$250,000

Ok.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by constantly »

zwily wrote: post #130
constantly wrote: post #36

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Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…

FWIW, you can get it with a normal wheel. In fact, the yoke is a $250 upgrade. Elon originally said it would only be available with the yoke but apparently he relented.

I did not know this! They didn’t have that option to my knowledge when I got mine. Probably doesn’t matter at this point as I’m mostly used to it, but good to know.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by constantly »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #62
constantly wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…

I couldn’t disagree more. Anything that does 0-60 in under 10s is fast enough for me. I’d rather have a quieter and more comfortable ride. I have an actual race car to race on an actual track and don’t need to endanger myself or others going Plaid speeds on public roadways. I have a 5 year old Avalon Hybrid that was in the bodyshop and rented a Tesla for a month and it was awful. Brand new and it felt like I was driv…

I feel you, I was chatting with my dad and he said something similar. Your framing as either or though isn’t quite right. I’ve found that the Model S is quite comfortable and quiet inside.

I also think it would be a very cool experience to drive a race car on a track, and I’m glad you get that experience. But I don’t see my interest in that extending or being prioritized enough to make the time and financial investment for such a specific thing. But your framing is again problematic, probably unknowingly, because having a car that can go fast and “going Plaid speeds on public roadways” with the race car comparison conjuring images of irresponsible drivers is almost entirely orthogonal to actually owning such a car.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by nunez »

avalys wrote: post #22

I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…

They were probably forced their hand here by the US Government, which is really sad given that the rest of the industry basically got a free pass for shunning EV adoption for years.

That said, this is definitely making me interested in a non-Tesla for our next EV. Tesla's tech is unrivaled, but the competition has better hard products.

Once the competition's lane-keeping/"smart" driving catch up to Tesla's APv2, I think I'm out. Even though I absolutely love using FSD beta.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by dontlaugh »

daedalus_j wrote: post #110
mbushey wrote: post #96

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Nor is it the experience anyone with a Tesla experiences. Nothing else comes close to Tesla in build quality (My wife's Subi Forrester is a flaming POS in comparison) or driving experience. Every other car company makes vehicles to make money, and fail on target after warranty (or in the case of Ford during warranty costing Ford billions in warranty costs). Tesla seems to "break" capitalism, they make their cars to l…

I'm intrigued by this. I own a 2017 forester and it is rock solid. I, my family, many friends, have all owned Subarus extensively, and build-quality/fit-and-finish have never been an issue, including on some quite old vehicles. I would very much /like/ to own a Tesla, but I hear so many bad things about loose panels, road noise, touchscreen interface, problem getting repairs, and even that the Subaru's adaptive cruis…

There may be regional differences. Most people I know that have teslas complain about shocking build quality issues, with the exception of the cars built in China.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by throwaway5959 »

WorldMaker wrote: post #123
throwaway5959 wrote: post #40

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Ford and GM are going NACS as well.

Plus Aptera and Rivian, if you want to include the smaller American companies.

Aptera is so cool. Love that they’re based out of San Diego and do a lot of work in house.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by tzs »

ethanbond wrote: post #71
willio58 wrote: post #58

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Tesla isn't doing this out of the kindness of their heart, they make money off of charging cars. I bet the money they make off of charging stations comes easier too. Like they really just need to pay for maintenance. Compared to building cars, delivering them, providing service, etc. it's kind of a no-brainer to just make tesla chargers able to charge all EV's and just keep building out that network.

But why wouldn't someone (really, anyone ) be just as equipped to build out NACS stations? Each new manufacturer switching over to NACS means the really big companies (bp, Shell) who already have tons of physical land and infrastructure, will be more incentivized to serve NACS, doesn't it?

I'm not sure that the current locations that companies like BP and Shell have for gas stations would work for EV charging station.

According to what I've read most gas stations make very little profit if any on gas sales. It is the things they sell in the accompanying convenience store where they make their money.

An average ICE "charging" at a gas station adds mileage around 15x faster than the fastest charging EV at a Supercharger. If you convert an existing gas station location to an EV charging station that means that the number of cars you can handle per hour goes down by more than an order of magnitude, which means your convenience store sales will go down.

The convenience store sales probably won't go down by an order of magnitude because there are usually a significant number of people who come just for the convenience store and don't refuel their car. Still, I'd expect that at a lot of locations that drop of in convenience store visits from people who are there to refuel will be enough to make that location not profitable.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by xeromal »

vel0city wrote: post #65
amluto wrote: post #49

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IMO the non-Tesla networks thoroughly misunderstood the market. People are willing to drive, specifically, to a Tesla charging station because they have the biggest network (and they’re fairly reliable, but anyone could achieve that). Other than that, there is no particular network effect, and drivers don’t want a network effect . Drivers want a charger at a convenient location that works, but there is no more inhere…

Luckily all the CCS chargers I've charged at which were installed within the last year or so had regular credit card terminals which I could pay with phone tap to pay or EMV chipped cards.

In my experience, I couldn't trust those chargers to not fail at some point charging when I was away from my car eating lunch or walking around a park. The reliability was just a huge pain in the rear.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by gorpy7 »

JLCarveth wrote: post #75
starik36 wrote: post #35

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> other manufacturers are far better at making an actual car Are they really "far better"? My wife's Tesla hasn't had any issues in the last 3 years. The build quality is great. Every time I have a chance to take the Tesla over my Kia, I do it because it's so much more pleasant to drive it. Over the years I've had many cars. I am struggling to think of one better than the current Tesla that we have.

For one thing, other car manufacturers succeed in making the car look good. if you don't mind driving around in a bar of soap, Tesla is fine.

I think the appearance is largely defined by its aerodynamics. people may be calling for them to make arbitrary changes in appearance but i’d rather they keep the functional shape.
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