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Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by rootusrootus »

pkulak wrote: post #93
dghughes wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes a big leap backward for any EVs with 800V systems like Hyundai, Porsche, Mercedes, Polestar, Lucid Air. Until NACS v2 arrives but even that is less than 1000V edit: I guess NACS 1000V would be v4 not v2

From what I can tell with my eyeballs, whatever the voltage limit is, it's less for NACS, since the DC pins are closer together.

It falls into the category of 'high enough.' IIRC Tesla mentions 1000V for NACS. And we already know that superchargers happily push more than 600A. That's such a ridiculous amount of power that it'll be decades before batteries aren't the limit.

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Post by kramerger »

JLCarveth wrote: post #75
starik36 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other manufacturers are far better at making an actual car Are they really "far better"? My wife's Tesla hasn't had any issues in the last 3 years. The build quality is great. Every time I have a chance to take the Tesla over my Kia, I do it because it's so much more pleasant to drive it. Over the years I've had many cars. I am struggling to think of one better than the current Tesla that we have.

For one thing, other car manufacturers succeed in making the car look good. if you don't mind driving around in a bar of soap, Tesla is fine.

Soap bar?

Someone mentioned Teslas look like half an egg, and now I can't think of anything else when I see one.

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Post by WorldMaker »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #40
jeroenhd wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every other car except for the American models of Volvo and Tesla, from what I can tell. That said, there are two CCS standards, one for (older) Japanese and American vehicles (SAE J1772), and another widely used in Europe (IEC 62196 Type). Both have been designed to be as backwards compatible with older charging standards as possible. European Teslas ship with CCS Type 2 so I doubt this will have any impact on Volvo…

Ford and GM are going NACS as well.

Plus Aptera and Rivian, if you want to include the smaller American companies.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by rootusrootus »

WaxProlix wrote: post #7
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #4

I wonder how the 800V car manufacturers will respond.

Good question. They'll be understandably unhappy that their competitive advantage is being muscled away. I worry about the future innovation that was planned for these companies that are moving from CCS to Tesla, as adopting it really does put an upper bound on charge speeds. Definitely a big win for Tesla across the board.

I don't think 800V is a competitive advantage yet. Hyundai has the fastest charging EV at the moment, but it still doesn't use 350kW and it's only a few minutes faster than a Tesla for 10-80. Plus, it's not at all clear that they won't be forced to dial the number down -- Teslas used to charge a bit faster but it was really messing with the batteries, and Hyundai may be about to hit a similar problem. The C rate they'll allowing their batteries to charge at is pretty high.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

vel0city wrote: post #61
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #46

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> Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages NACS for Ford doesn't mean a Supercharger experience. Tesla's tight integration will continue to yield fruit for at least a few more years.

NACS for Ford does mean a Supercharger experience. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2023... Allegedly once a physical adapter comes out all existing CCS Fords will be able to access the Supercharger network with Plug and Charge.

> NACS for Ford does mean a Supercharger experience

The Supercharger will still be talking to a Ford-built port connected to a Ford battery run on Ford software. I’m optimistic. But it’s not as tight as Tesla all through.

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Post by TMWNN »

floatrock wrote: post #51
hedora wrote: post #17

It's pretty shocking that all the charge networks are getting rug pulled because they couldn't figure out how to accept payment reliably. I wonder if Tesla has figured that out for third-party automobiles yet. (I mean, I assume they have, but I assumed the other charge networks would be able to obtain working credit card readers, and that definitely didn't happen.)

The plug is more about combining DC and AC pins, payment is orthogonal. The difference between "NACS" and "Tesla" is that because Europe has mandated CCS, Tesla has made their connectors talk CCS because global simplicity. Yes, Tesla's will still have plug-to-pay, but that's on top of NACS, not part of NACS. NACS is just CCS with a different (smaller) handle. The Technology Connections guy made a good explainer about…

> The Technology Connections guy made a good explainer about all this the other day, if you don't mind a slightly-get-off-my-lawn youtuber persona: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjny4u5THpU

That persona is part of TC's schtick, but the video itself was major cringe. TC does not like Tesla, and watching him forcibly eating crow + that persona that comes across as "I am right, even when I was very wrong" = 50 painful minutes.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by rootusrootus »

nharada wrote: post #2

Good. Great. As long as there's just one, I don't care which.

I am kinda glad that NACS won. It wouldn't really break my heart if it did not, but I own two EVs -- one is CCS1, the other Tesla. It's just a minor irritation, but there is no doubt at all that the J1772 connector is far more likely to be finicky when I plug it in every day. The fact that it's the same connector no matter what kind of charging is happening is icing on the cake.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by theluketaylor »

dghughes wrote: post #18
nharada wrote: post #2

Good. Great. As long as there's just one, I don't care which.

My Canadian town of 70,000 has about 100 public CCS charging stations but one for Telsa. So no not great. It's already there so why are they switching? A GM executive was on the news saying how Canadians complained in a survey there were not enough charging stations. I say BS. This sudden study appears and contradicts the 10:1 ratio of CCS to Tesla charger in my town?

CCS or J-1772?

100 DC fast charging plugs would be a lot, I'm guessing most of these 100 are actually J-1772 L2 AC plugs and not CCS combo 1. It's pretty cheap to get an adaptor for J-1772 Tesla in either direction for AC usage, so in practice AC plugs are basically universal.

DC adaptors are much more expensive due to needing really high kW capable connectors and often require active communication within the adaptor.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by huijzer »

avalys wrote: post #22

I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…

Sandy Munro currently believes that Tesla is 5 years ahead. Heck, even the Ford CEO has openly said that it’s very hard to catch up to Tesla in terms of software, batteries, and vehicle design [1]. For example, here is a video explaining the differences in the Tesla vehicle manufacturing over the years [2].

[1]: https://youtu.be/JdId8tXiJIo

[2]: https://youtu.be/WNWYk4DdT_E

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by zwily »

constantly wrote: post #36
avalys wrote: post #22

I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…

Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…

FWIW, you can get it with a normal wheel. In fact, the yoke is a $250 upgrade. Elon originally said it would only be available with the yoke but apparently he relented.
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