Good. Great. As long as there's just one, I don't care which.
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Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico
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Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico
#82CCS is done.
*CCS1 not CCS2
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#83I wonder how the 800V car manufacturers will respond.
Yes a big leap backward for any EVs with 800V systems like Hyundai, Porsche, Mercedes, Polestar, Lucid Air. Until NACS v2 arrives but even that is less than 1000V edit: I guess NACS 1000V would be v4 not v2
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
What other brands have you owned? Kia is not a luxury brand. Tesla competes in the luxury segment
To be fair, Kia EVs are in the same price range as Teslas.
Good point, the EV6 and Model Y are comparable in price. I suppose I’d be curious to know if GP was referring to an EV Kia
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Owned by Chinese still.
Geely owns 8% of the company. I wasn't aware nationality was determined by minority ownership
8.2% of the Volvo Group (AB Volvo). 82% of Volvo Cars.
From the 2022 report:
> Volvo Car AB (publ.), with its registered office in Gothenburg, Sweden, is a publicly listed company on the Nasdaq Stockholm Stock Exchange. The largest owner, holding 82 per cent of shares and capital, is Geely Sweden Holdings AB, owned by Shanghai Geely Zhaoyuan International Investment Co., Ltd., registered in Shanghai, China, and ultimately owned by Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Ltd., registered in Hangzhou, China.
https://vp272.alertir.com/afw/files/press/volvocar/202303076...
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
IMO the non-Tesla networks thoroughly misunderstood the market. People are willing to drive, specifically, to a Tesla charging station because they have the biggest network (and they’re fairly reliable, but anyone could achieve that). Other than that, there is no particular network effect, and drivers don’t want a network effect . Drivers want a charger at a convenient location that works, but there is no more inhere…
The lack of innovation in payment technologies is a huge barrier. It should be entirely feasible to "set up a payment card" within a secure computing system like a car's computer (perhaps using an inexpensive commodity secure enclave processor), and then securely pay for charging services over an arbitrary wire protocol like NACS/CCS without the need to make an account for each provider . Apple and Google each manage…
I would settle for the basics before insisting on actual innovation. I also want chargers to allow using a credit card (or Apple Pay or whatever) as an alternative to whatever is programmed into the car.
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#87I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…
Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…
But Lucid Air Sapphire blows Tesla Plaid out of the water better top speed, range, interior, just nicer, better quality, and a not stupid steering wheel.
Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico
#88I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…
Seems like a choice between continuing to compete in one market, or competing in the same market while also absolutely dominating another.
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#89It's pretty shocking that all the charge networks are getting rug pulled because they couldn't figure out how to accept payment reliably. I wonder if Tesla has figured that out for third-party automobiles yet. (I mean, I assume they have, but I assumed the other charge networks would be able to obtain working credit card readers, and that definitely didn't happen.)
They probably could figure it out. I don't think that was the point though, at least in Canada.
It felt more like all of the chargers networks wanted to become something more like of Japan's prepaid IC card system for the trains. I think their dream was to have drivers buy into a reoccurring subscription for super charger access, and become big enough to be the One Charger Network to Rule Them All.
Whether this new announcement changes anything for the Canadian charging networks, I don't know. Some of the operators had already entered into cross subscription agreements with each other to try and alleviate the pain points. Part of me thinks that they'll run to the federal government and ask for protection against Tesla's network if they view it as too great a threat, but they could also end up playing nice with with each other as well.
Next few years is going to be interesting to watch either way.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
IMO the non-Tesla networks thoroughly misunderstood the market. People are willing to drive, specifically, to a Tesla charging station because they have the biggest network (and they’re fairly reliable, but anyone could achieve that). Other than that, there is no particular network effect, and drivers don’t want a network effect . Drivers want a charger at a convenient location that works, but there is no more inhere…
Luckily all the CCS chargers I've charged at which were installed within the last year or so had regular credit card terminals which I could pay with phone tap to pay or EMV chipped cards.
The CCS chargers here all have those, but they don't work at Electrify America, evGo, ChargePoint or the smaller networks kiosks I've seen.
The one counterexample was that I found an EA terminal with a working credit card reader, but it did not work reliably.
For instance, you had to tap Visa, but insert chip for MC, and swipe Amex (I might have those constraints wrong), and if you did the wrong thing, the charge circuit computer state machine would get confused with the unexpected payment error, and put your car computer into a "busted charger" timeout mode. A re-attempt would cause most CC companies to issue a fraud lockout for that kiosk.
Also, these issues were compounded by the CCS connector EA uses being a bit out of mechanical tolerance, so the machine has a sign saying to pull up during handshake to get the computers to talk.
The same EA kiosks work reasonably well (> 90% success on first handshake) if you pay with the app.