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Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by ethanbond »

willio58 wrote: post #58
avalys wrote: post #22

I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…

Tesla isn't doing this out of the kindness of their heart, they make money off of charging cars. I bet the money they make off of charging stations comes easier too. Like they really just need to pay for maintenance. Compared to building cars, delivering them, providing service, etc. it's kind of a no-brainer to just make tesla chargers able to charge all EV's and just keep building out that network.

But why wouldn't someone (really, anyone) be just as equipped to build out NACS stations? Each new manufacturer switching over to NACS means the really big companies (bp, Shell) who already have tons of physical land and infrastructure, will be more incentivized to serve NACS, doesn't it?

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by kcb »

whycombagator wrote: post #69
starik36 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other manufacturers are far better at making an actual car Are they really "far better"? My wife's Tesla hasn't had any issues in the last 3 years. The build quality is great. Every time I have a chance to take the Tesla over my Kia, I do it because it's so much more pleasant to drive it. Over the years I've had many cars. I am struggling to think of one better than the current Tesla that we have.

What other brands have you owned? Kia is not a luxury brand. Tesla competes in the luxury segment

To be fair, Kia EVs are in the same price range as Teslas.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by b0sk »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #62
constantly wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…

I couldn’t disagree more. Anything that does 0-60 in under 10s is fast enough for me. I’d rather have a quieter and more comfortable ride. I have an actual race car to race on an actual track and don’t need to endanger myself or others going Plaid speeds on public roadways. I have a 5 year old Avalon Hybrid that was in the bodyshop and rented a Tesla for a month and it was awful. Brand new and it felt like I was driv…

that’s not the experience most of the drivers desire

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by matthewdgreen »

amluto wrote: post #49
hedora wrote: post #17

It's pretty shocking that all the charge networks are getting rug pulled because they couldn't figure out how to accept payment reliably. I wonder if Tesla has figured that out for third-party automobiles yet. (I mean, I assume they have, but I assumed the other charge networks would be able to obtain working credit card readers, and that definitely didn't happen.)

IMO the non-Tesla networks thoroughly misunderstood the market. People are willing to drive, specifically, to a Tesla charging station because they have the biggest network (and they’re fairly reliable, but anyone could achieve that). Other than that, there is no particular network effect, and drivers don’t want a network effect . Drivers want a charger at a convenient location that works, but there is no more inhere…

The lack of innovation in payment technologies is a huge barrier. It should be entirely feasible to "set up a payment card" within a secure computing system like a car's computer (perhaps using an inexpensive commodity secure enclave processor), and then securely pay for charging services over an arbitrary wire protocol like NACS/CCS without the need to make an account for each provider. Apple and Google each managed to realize a similar functionality for NFC, but it took their enormous market power (and a huge mess of technical innovation that should have come from the payment card industry directly, rather than requiring still more proprietary systems.) In Europe they had to create an entirely new payment overlay called Plug & Charge, but it only handles that one application (and doesn't exist in the US.)

A good chunk of the problems in charging stem from the fact that we allowed basic infrastructure like payments to be locked up within these private companies, rather than mandating standards.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by JLCarveth »

starik36 wrote: post #35
avalys wrote: post #22

I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…

> other manufacturers are far better at making an actual car Are they really "far better"? My wife's Tesla hasn't had any issues in the last 3 years. The build quality is great. Every time I have a chance to take the Tesla over my Kia, I do it because it's so much more pleasant to drive it. Over the years I've had many cars. I am struggling to think of one better than the current Tesla that we have.

For one thing, other car manufacturers succeed in making the car look good. if you don't mind driving around in a bar of soap, Tesla is fine.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by kcb »

brewdad wrote: post #70
kcb wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Teslas sold today are compatible with CCS chargers.

Unless you found yourself in a spot with no other options, I can't imagine any Telsa owner would choose to use a CCS charger that is a worse experience for them in every way.

I wouldn't go out of my way for it but there happens to be an EA charger more directly on the route I frequently travel. So it's nice to have the option.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by gizmo888 »

ethanbond wrote: post #71
willio58 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla isn't doing this out of the kindness of their heart, they make money off of charging cars. I bet the money they make off of charging stations comes easier too. Like they really just need to pay for maintenance. Compared to building cars, delivering them, providing service, etc. it's kind of a no-brainer to just make tesla chargers able to charge all EV's and just keep building out that network.

But why wouldn't someone (really, anyone ) be just as equipped to build out NACS stations? Each new manufacturer switching over to NACS means the really big companies (bp, Shell) who already have tons of physical land and infrastructure, will be more incentivized to serve NACS, doesn't it?

Hopefully Buys out, Partnerships or Rents out all that Real Estate

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by kcb »

JLCarveth wrote: post #75
starik36 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other manufacturers are far better at making an actual car Are they really "far better"? My wife's Tesla hasn't had any issues in the last 3 years. The build quality is great. Every time I have a chance to take the Tesla over my Kia, I do it because it's so much more pleasant to drive it. Over the years I've had many cars. I am struggling to think of one better than the current Tesla that we have.

For one thing, other car manufacturers succeed in making the car look good. if you don't mind driving around in a bar of soap, Tesla is fine.

Looks are subjective.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by brewdad »

SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #68
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My Canadian town of 70,000...It's already there so why are they switching? It's estimated America will need around 2mm EV chargers by 2030; it currently has about 160k [1]. Every charger currently deployed is less than a tenth of what we need in seven years. That's not quite tabula rasa , but it's close. CCS lost because it prioritized backward compatibility in an environment where most of what's needed must be bui…

Most of those 2M EV chargers only need to be Level 2. It makes MUCH more sense to use J1772 by default in those 2M chargers, since every EV other than Tesla currently uses that standard, and Tesla can easily use an adapter. So CCS hasn't "lost". In fact, it's likely to remain a standard. In fact, there are some 5,200 CCS charging station locations in the US, compared to only about 1,800 Supercharger stations. [1] A s…

How many of those CCS stations are actually up and running properly? I can't stand Musk and Tesla and haven't yet made the jump into EVs but I plan to soon and everything I've seen online suggests Telsa chargers just work while EA and other CCS brands are extremely hit and miss.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by _2z1p »

gizmo888 wrote: post #57
avalys wrote: post #22

I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…

First - Tesla had to open charging to other manufacturers to receive additional governmental subsidies. Second - Tesla will get addition 7 plus billions grants to add additional charging infrastructure. Third - Tesla will add at least another 10 to 20 billion in charging revenue with at least 30 percent profit to the bottom line. Forth - Once all the other manufacturers signs on, they can offer other services… IMHO

Plus if their standard takes hold they don’t end up being the next BetaMax of history.
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