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Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by aaomidi »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #62
constantly wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…

I couldn’t disagree more. Anything that does 0-60 in under 10s is fast enough for me. I’d rather have a quieter and more comfortable ride. I have an actual race car to race on an actual track and don’t need to endanger myself or others going Plaid speeds on public roadways. I have a 5 year old Avalon Hybrid that was in the bodyshop and rented a Tesla for a month and it was awful. Brand new and it felt like I was driv…

The acceleration of the model 3 has already helped me avoided a few accidents.

That acceleration isn’t useless.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by hedora »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #66
amluto wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the non-Tesla networks thoroughly misunderstood the market. People are willing to drive, specifically, to a Tesla charging station because they have the biggest network (and they’re fairly reliable, but anyone could achieve that). Other than that, there is no particular network effect, and drivers don’t want a network effect . Drivers want a charger at a convenient location that works, but there is no more inhere…

Also uptime/availability. What is nice about the Tesla charging map is that I can see how many slots are available so I don’t drive somewhere only to find out the charger is in use or broken.

The other networks have that too, fwiw. Though, for some, there is a big red "emergency stop" button that people can press, and it incorrectly marks the charger as broken.

So, the map will incorrectly tell you not to use that charger.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by pkulak »

dghughes wrote: post #83
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #4

I wonder how the 800V car manufacturers will respond.

Yes a big leap backward for any EVs with 800V systems like Hyundai, Porsche, Mercedes, Polestar, Lucid Air. Until NACS v2 arrives but even that is less than 1000V edit: I guess NACS 1000V would be v4 not v2

From what I can tell with my eyeballs, whatever the voltage limit is, it's less for NACS, since the DC pins are closer together.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by hedora »

tyingq wrote: post #26
hedora wrote: post #17

It's pretty shocking that all the charge networks are getting rug pulled because they couldn't figure out how to accept payment reliably. I wonder if Tesla has figured that out for third-party automobiles yet. (I mean, I assume they have, but I assumed the other charge networks would be able to obtain working credit card readers, and that definitely didn't happen.)

"pretty shocking that all the charge networks are getting rug pulled because they couldn't figure out how to accept payment reliably." Is there a reference for this somewhere? I didn't know this was a problem.

Ford's press release cited a study where they had paid drivers go to random Blue Oval (their charge affiliate network) chargers and see whether they could charge or not. They said this was the main reason they were adopting the tesla standard.

Anecdotally, 90% of the time I've been unable to charge at a Blue Oval certified network (I drive a BMW, but the list of networks is well-known), it has been a payment issue, not a CCS issue.

Also, the Biden administration recognized that this was a problem, and built a payment availability SLA into the inflation reduction act.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by gabrielsroka »

b0sk wrote: post #73
650REDHAIR wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn’t disagree more. Anything that does 0-60 in under 10s is fast enough for me. I’d rather have a quieter and more comfortable ride. I have an actual race car to race on an actual track and don’t need to endanger myself or others going Plaid speeds on public roadways. I have a 5 year old Avalon Hybrid that was in the bodyshop and rented a Tesla for a month and it was awful. Brand new and it felt like I was driv…

that’s not the experience most of the drivers desire

I'm not arguing, but do you have a source for this? I happen to agree with GP. I'm 55, I want a quiet, comfortable car. I don't care about performance.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by mbushey »

b0sk wrote: post #73
650REDHAIR wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn’t disagree more. Anything that does 0-60 in under 10s is fast enough for me. I’d rather have a quieter and more comfortable ride. I have an actual race car to race on an actual track and don’t need to endanger myself or others going Plaid speeds on public roadways. I have a 5 year old Avalon Hybrid that was in the bodyshop and rented a Tesla for a month and it was awful. Brand new and it felt like I was driv…

that’s not the experience most of the drivers desire

Nor is it the experience anyone with a Tesla experiences. Nothing else comes close to Tesla in build quality (My wife's Subi Forrester is a flaming POS in comparison) or driving experience. Every other car company makes vehicles to make money, and fail on target after warranty (or in the case of Ford during warranty costing Ford billions in warranty costs). Tesla seems to "break" capitalism, they make their cars to last and NOT break.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by mbushey »

JLCarveth wrote: post #75
starik36 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other manufacturers are far better at making an actual car Are they really "far better"? My wife's Tesla hasn't had any issues in the last 3 years. The build quality is great. Every time I have a chance to take the Tesla over my Kia, I do it because it's so much more pleasant to drive it. Over the years I've had many cars. I am struggling to think of one better than the current Tesla that we have.

For one thing, other car manufacturers succeed in making the car look good. if you don't mind driving around in a bar of soap, Tesla is fine.

Exactly, I don't want an ugly car. One of the numerous things I love about my Model Y is how awesome it looks. Screw the Ford, GM, Chrysler, Subi, Toyota, etc bars of soap.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by rootusrootus »

constantly wrote: post #36
avalys wrote: post #22

I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…

Speaking for myself, but although I loathe Elon and deride Tesla’s build quality, there’s truly nothing like driving around a Plaid Model S for it’s absolutely tearjerking speed. The weird steering wheel continues to annoy, however. Stepping back though, one can get a performance Model 3 very inexpensively, relatively, and as far as I can tell or have seen, no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making so…

> no other manufacturer outside of Porsche (with BMW making some minor inroads) has electric cars close to as fast.

Off the top of my head, the Ford Mach-E GT and the Kia EV6 GT are also sub-4 second cars.

I expect the blinding acceleration to become just a feature most EVs have some version of. Even the Bolt is pretty quick for a compliance car (nearly as fast as a VW GTI, the quintessential hot hatch).

Personally, having owned a Model 3 Performance, I finally figured out that there was such a thing as too much power. It's a great party trick, but as a practical matter I think I'm quite happy with anything sub-5 second.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by worrycue »

ethanbond wrote: post #71
willio58 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla isn't doing this out of the kindness of their heart, they make money off of charging cars. I bet the money they make off of charging stations comes easier too. Like they really just need to pay for maintenance. Compared to building cars, delivering them, providing service, etc. it's kind of a no-brainer to just make tesla chargers able to charge all EV's and just keep building out that network.

But why wouldn't someone (really, anyone ) be just as equipped to build out NACS stations? Each new manufacturer switching over to NACS means the really big companies (bp, Shell) who already have tons of physical land and infrastructure, will be more incentivized to serve NACS, doesn't it?

Don’t know about BP or Shell but local power companies seem prime to take over that space. Tesla relies on them for power. I don’t see why the local power companies won’t cut out the middle man that’s Tesla and service customers directly.

Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico

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Post by gabrielsroka »

arcticbull wrote: post #44
alienzx wrote: post #27

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They've been clear since day 1 they are an energy company, not a car company.

This is a narrative grafted on after the fact. When Eberhard and Tarpenning founded Tesla - years before Elon was involved - it was founded as a car company.

> Tesla was incorporated in July 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning as Tesla Motors. The company's name is a tribute to inventor and electrical engineer Nikola Tesla. In February 2004, via a $6.5 million investment, Elon Musk became the company's largest shareholder. He became CEO in 2008.
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