NACS won slowly, and then suddenly (at least in the public eye)
Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico
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#22I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here.
The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc.
Unless Tesla is so confident that their manufacturing skills will give them a continuing and durable cost advantage - that makes up for the fact that they haven't innovated or even improved their basic vehicle design for the past 10 years - I don't see how this works to their advantage.
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#23CCS is done.
CCS is still the standard for the entirety of the EU including Tesla's own cars. It may be dying in NA but the EU is still a large market and using a different plug isn't that big of a deal for the manufacturers.
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#24Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico
#25Will SAE (or IEC?) take over the stewardship of the port at some point? (AIUI, the comm protocol is (will be?) CCS/IEC 61851?)
looks like it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36495397
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#26It's pretty shocking that all the charge networks are getting rug pulled because they couldn't figure out how to accept payment reliably. I wonder if Tesla has figured that out for third-party automobiles yet. (I mean, I assume they have, but I assumed the other charge networks would be able to obtain working credit card readers, and that definitely didn't happen.)
"pretty shocking that all the charge networks are getting rug pulled because they couldn't figure out how to accept payment reliably."
Is there a reference for this somewhere? I didn't know this was a problem.
Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico
#27I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…
They've been clear since day 1 they are an energy company, not a car company.
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#28CCS is done.
> CCS is done Who are the remaining CCS adherents?
Every other car except for the American models of Volvo and Tesla, from what I can tell.
That said, there are two CCS standards, one for (older) Japanese and American vehicles (SAE J1772), and another widely used in Europe (IEC 62196 Type). Both have been designed to be as backwards compatible with older charging standards as possible.
European Teslas ship with CCS Type 2 so I doubt this will have any impact on Volvos outside the USA.
Re: Volvo Cars Adopts Tesla's NACS Port in the United States, Canada and Mexico
#29I think this is great but I continue to wonder about Tesla's plan here. The Supercharger network is one of their remaining competitive advantages. Other manufacturers were behind for years on efficiency, range, etc. but are now catching up - and other manufacturers are far better at making an actual _car_ than Tesla. Build quality, quality control, durability, comfort, noise, etc. Unless Tesla is so confident that th…
Their business plan is that they know they won't make every EV that is sold, but they will make money by charging many more than they sell.
The list of Manufacturers on board at this time: Ford, GM, Rivian, Volvo (and presumably Polstar).
Hyundai and Stellantis are considering it. If they join, and it'd be silly not to at this point, that's about half the car market right there. Now it's just up to the German and Japanese automakers.
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#30Good. Great. As long as there's just one, I don't care which.
My Canadian town of 70,000 has about 100 public CCS charging stations but one for Telsa. So no not great. It's already there so why are they switching? A GM executive was on the news saying how Canadians complained in a survey there were not enough charging stations. I say BS. This sudden study appears and contradicts the 10:1 ratio of CCS to Tesla charger in my town?
> My Canadian town of 70,000...It's already there so why are they switching?
It's estimated America will need around 2mm EV chargers by 2030; it currently has about 160k [1]. Every charger currently deployed is less than a tenth of what we need in seven years. That's not quite tabula rasa, but it's close.
CCS lost because it prioritized backward compatibility in an environment where most of what's needed must be built. The difference between sticking with existing infrastructure and retrofitting is, in the grand scheme, a rounding error and so properly ignored.
[1] https://electrek.co/2023/01/09/heres-how-many-ev-chargers-th...