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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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> Every one of them went against conventional wisdom and the laws of physics as they were known or suspected to be at the time. This is not true of the Wrights. Their first step was to gather together all the known aeronautical knowledge at the time. They relied on them, too, until they discovered the coefficient of lift was off by a factor of two. Then they built their own wind tunnel to determine the correct value.…

Correcting knowing knowledge always comes with the chance that what you're observing may be invalid for reasons you aren't considering. So in this regard you're largely agreeing with the post you're ostensibly arguing against. Everybody else says e.g. the coefficient of lift is x, I say it's y - is not just a "discovery", but going against the conventional knowledge of laws of physics of a given time. It's not like t…

> Correcting knowing knowledge always comes with the chance that what you're observing may be invalid for reasons you aren't considering.

They set up experiments to prove the existing theory was wrong. That is completely counter to what you write. Nobody else did that.

> It's not like the aviation enthusiasts prior to the Wright Bros were just strapping aluminum sheeting to their backs and jumping off cliffs. Well I mean maybe somebody somewhere at some time did do that, but for the most part people always try to start from a basis of what's known, and work their way up from toy experiments.

That's pretty much what the Wright's contemporaries were doing. Trying random things in a disorganized manner with eyeballed designs. It's very, very different from the Wrights who:

1. researched all available material

2. identified the fundamental problems that must be solved

3. developed prototypes to solve each problem

4. put the results into a new design that worked

Nobody else was doing that. And that's why the Wrights succeeded, and the others failed miserably. Later, when the Wrights took their Flyer to Europe, they astonished the European aviators by literally flying circles around them. (European designs could not turn.)

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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There are experts on every topic, you shouldn't be surprised to hear from them when that is the topic of discussion.

Conveniently, my fairly average high school graduating class of around 350 has dozens of experts on nearly any popular topic.

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Both media reports are vanity. They don't impact the reader, don't change society and have no repercussions. Both are read for (different) emotional value. People don't change their life or opinion because of either of them.

While I agree there is a fair amount of indifference when it comes to consuming media. However stating it as zero effect is far from true. There are several examples of powerful journalism having profound effects on the general public. And repeated coverage has been demonstrated to be capable of changing opinions. In the case of the refugee boat—but not so much the submarine—it occured because of a policy choice of t…

Refugees die in the Mediteranian in large numbers for more than 30 years [0]. With ample media coverage for decades and no policy changes.

So I stand with my previous argument of

"People don't change their life or opinion because of either of them."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_migrant_vessel_inciden...

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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600 refugees drowned in the mediterranean and the captain of one of the non profit rescue vessels operating in the mediterranean is facing 20 years in prison. barf.

Both media reports are vanity. They don't impact the reader, don't change society and have no repercussions. Both are read for (different) emotional value. People don't change their life or opinion because of either of them.

It's hard to imagine anything more vain than thinking immigration politics don't affect societies or media consumers. Immigration politics are among the most important issues to voters in certain western countries for very good reasons. These issues are extremely economically impactful, massively violent, and extremely exploitative to all working class people across the globe.

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Most of the people getting shot in mass shootings aren't doing something stupid on purpose.

Most of the people shot in Mass shootings (by the definition) are doing something stupid,specifically drug dealing and gang warfare. Very boring stuff

Citation please? I don't recall a lot of drug-dealing at Uvalde last year.

[0] https://www.texastribune.org/series/uvalde-texas-school-shoo...

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Both media reports are vanity. They don't impact the reader, don't change society and have no repercussions. Both are read for (different) emotional value. People don't change their life or opinion because of either of them.

It's hard to imagine anything more vain than thinking immigration politics don't affect societies or media consumers. Immigration politics are among the most important issues to voters in certain western countries for very good reasons. These issues are extremely economically impactful, massively violent, and extremely exploitative to all working class people across the globe.

"immigration politics don't affect societies"

If you think that, I'd disagree with you.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Not a chance. The whole problem with subs is that water weighs about 8lb per gallon. So, at 4000m you're looking at something between 4500 5500 psi. Thats a small truck worth of pressure every square inch in the hull. Once you breach the structure, think crushing a tin can in the middle, things collapse pretty fast. As do bodies. If you figure your body is 2 foot by 6 foot, the pressure would be like parking 100 full…

The timeline says the sub was expected back at 3PM, but the implosion was heard at night. So in between the hours of 3PM to when the explosion was heard, I speculate the sub was somehow trapped and unable to leave the wreck site, until after finally spending all that time at depth something happened that suddenly caused an implosion.

Your comment was perfectly clear to me. I'm not sure how it was so misinterpreted.

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I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you. And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe.

I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you. Sure, if you're rich. And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe. If you're poor you'll end up like the hundreds of children still stuck on the Andriana.

What about the insane amount of resources poured into saving that group of Thai teenagers trapped in a cave? That was a huge, extremely costly effort.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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The most troubling thing about this to me is Stockton Rush’s cavalier attitude toward ageism [1]. In considering young college graduates as uniquely “inspirational” he set them up for a lifetime of guilt. I don’t think age or race has any place in inspirational calculus. I’m uncomfortable with how comfortably he dismisses submariner veterans as “old white guys”. Engineering is a discipline that requires experience an…

Most old engineers I’ve worked with are terrible and many younger ones are way more talented.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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This makes me wonder how we went from Wright brothers to commercial flight. Despite being the longest Wikipedia article I've ever seen the Wright Brother's wiki doesn't seem to cover it. Maybe it's a poorly defined question.

Florida man [1]. More seriously, you have to remember that this was in a time before there were a million rules, regulations, and lawsuits for everything. The first commercial airline was a man with a plane, likely largely "self built" (whatever that means in a time before aviation industrialization), who started offering flights in Florida across a peninsula. It worked, it was profitable, there was a market - commer…

> The first commercial airline was a man with a plane,

The Florida Man you linked was the pilot for two other men [1], the first commercial air service was Delag operating Zepplin airships .. followed by Aero Rt in Hungary .. then followed by [1] in Florida.

I can't (right now at least) determine if Aero Rt was operating airships or airplanes ... so you may or may not be correct wrt planes at least.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg%E2%80%93Tampa_A...

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