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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by mulmen »

LeftHandPath wrote: post #715
methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

I saw someone on reddit insisting they were doomed because the hatch didn't open from the inside. Opening the hatch? At 13,000 feet below sea level?!

I think the concern there is that they would be able to surface but not control the craft then drift somewhere and eventually suffocate.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by mbesto »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #615
bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic."

I love to bemoan about the media just like the next person, but sadly this is just human nature.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by mulmen »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #426
methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

It's amazing how fast everyone goes from being covid/vaccine experts to {flavor of the week} experts to submersible experts.

There are experts on every topic, you shouldn't be surprised to hear from them when that is the topic of discussion.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by amatecha »

furyofantares wrote: post #556
hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

As someone who isn't very reckless, if I'm ever in trouble I'd love if people would search for me without trying to debate exactly how reckless I was being. Then recoup what you can from me or my estate if you determine I was reckless after the fact, when you have plenty of time to evaluate the facts.

Ah, in fact, search & rescue organizations are pretty outspoken in their view that compensation is never sought from the people they rescue. It's a heavily-discussed topic and they are really steadfast in this view. Our provincial organization BC Search & Rescue Association actually published a series of videos on this subject, where they go into quite some detail about the rationale behind different arguments and why they've settled on this stance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6hxFphCSc (and more info and links to the other videos at https://bcsara.com/no-charge-for-sar/ )

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by ncann »

Auracle wrote: post #729
yreg wrote: post #654

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not entirely the media's fault that people are drawn into this topic even though it's fairly unimportant as you say. Take a look at /r/worldnews, users consistently chose to upvote all stories about Titan to the top of the page.

Reddit upvoting rich people dying from something extravagant? No, never.

That's too cynical. I'm sure if it was 5 unknown poor people or 5 random people the interest would have been the same. People just love following search and rescue stories, that's all there is to it. E.g. the Thailand Cave rescue, or the various mining-related rescues, the interest is always high.

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Post by mdavidn »

bagels wrote: post #526
btgeekboy wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of me has been wondering if the noises being heard might be an unexpected discovery of a military (Russian, Chinese, US) submarine operating in the general area. Don’t they submerge for long periods of time without comms?

There were at least a few rescue craft in the area, most likely the sound was from one of them, if it was real in the first place.

The banging sound could be the Titanic itself. Something metallic may still swing in the shifting current after all these years.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by archagon »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #626
krisoft wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you I wouldn’t know, because i live in the kind of society where if you are lost at sea and you call for help but the call handler assumes that you have the wrong kind of passport they just tell you to call some other country and then hun…

Pretty disingenuous when those 'refugees' were simply planning on illegally entering the UK, and everyone involved knew it. >The refugee said it was his fourth attempt to cross the Channel. During the previous three attempts French police had caught them on the beach and punctured their dinghies with knives. Honestly didn't realize though refugees thought the benefits in the UK were better than France's.

Who gives a shit?! They were still human beings.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

az226 wrote: post #707
bilekas wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really curious about the carbon fibre design, I'm not a material expert but I do dive and for tanks they work because of the internal pressure of tank. The 'weaving' is supposed to be link connecting your two hands together interlocking fingers, in one direction you will meet a full resistance, but in the opposite direction your fingers will unlock. I have no idea but seems to me if there is external pressure the…

The looking glass was only rated for 4,000 feet. Implosion happened around 9,000 feet, which would suggest the glass handled over twice its rated depth.

and survived several dives before that to 13000ft, no?

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by georgemcbay »

LeftHandPath wrote: post #715
methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

I saw someone on reddit insisting they were doomed because the hatch didn't open from the inside. Opening the hatch? At 13,000 feet below sea level?!

There's some merit to this. The hatch not opening from the inside means that even if they did manage to reach the surface of the ocean, if they didn't find their way back to either their own mothership or something else capable of opening the hatch from the outside they still would have died due to lack of oxygen when the oxygen ran out.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by archagon »

Arn_Thor wrote: post #695
SirMaster wrote: post #171

What I don't understand is, if it imploded, why didn't the boat hear the implosion? Surely that would be really loud. Louder than the 15 min audio ping that the boat is normally listening for.

Turns out the Navy heard it, based on a WSJ article. They started actively listening when notified that contact was lost, and shortly after they picked up what sounded like an implosion or explosion.

Weren’t they notified 8+ hours after contact was lost?
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