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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by KineticLensman »

histriosum wrote: post #55
xattt wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's not true, they've successfully reached the Titanic several times over a dozen or so expeditions. This is more concerning, given that metal fatigue is an understood phenomenon (1). (1) https://www.faa.gov/lessons_learned/transport_airplane/accid...

It's a carbon fiber hull, for which I think we know alot less about repeated stress events...

> It's a carbon fiber hull

...With titanium hemispheres at each end, so some sort of poorly understood titanium carbon-fibre interface.

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Post by code_duck »

vanattab wrote: post #186
dylan604 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might feel this way to the first people to land on Mars or something. This was not a "mission" to advance human knowledge. To me, it's one step away from "hold my beer"

I don't think this is fair to say. The sub hull was built by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center as part of a program to help commercial companies develop technologies that could be used for space exploration. Just in our solar system, we have found evidence of oceans on Saturn’s moons Titan and Enceladus; Jupiter’s moons Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto; Neptune’s moon Triton; and on Pluto. If we want to explore these…

The pressure vessel is the only part that was designed or fabricated with sound theory by experts.

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Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

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Post by rootusrootus »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #134
kyleblarson wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quote shines light on his hiring philosophy: “When I started the business, one of the things you’ll find, there are other sub-operators out there, but they typically have, uh, gentlemen who are ex-military submariners, and they — you’ll see a whole bunch of 50-year-old white guys,” Rush told Teledyne Marine in a resurfaced interview. “I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational and I’m not going to insp…

Ah, I see he's got the 'Elon Musk school of thought' in regards to cutting corners in vehicles carrying people's lives and seeing safety regulations as a nuisance hindering his "visionary progress" that these pesky gray-beard engineers just can't grasp. Fucking idiot CEO, took 4 innocent people with him. Aero, naval, automotive, all have a a history written in blood, and all those rules and regulations aren't to hind…

> the 'Elon Musk school of thought' in regards to cutting corners in vehicles

You're thinking only of FSD. That is a legitimate observation. But objectively, Teslas tend to score highly for safety in independent tests.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

stonogo wrote: post #185
seattle_anon wrote: post #166

Stockton Rush (OceanGate's CEO) was known in the Seattle tech community [0] My understanding (very much not first hand) is that he was seen as an expert in the specific engineering disciplines necessary to safely build and operate deep sea submersibles like Titan. He was also apparently a father to members of the Seattle tech community, who are no doubt grieving at the moment. Please remember that, for some members o…

He was not recognized as an expert by other deep-sea submerisble experts. He was repeatedly warned about safety issue with this design. These events are tragic, but they were predictable and avoidable and that makes it frustrating.

Another testament to the magic of speaking confidently about something to others who know nothing about that something.

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Post by asynchronous »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #134
kyleblarson wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This quote shines light on his hiring philosophy: “When I started the business, one of the things you’ll find, there are other sub-operators out there, but they typically have, uh, gentlemen who are ex-military submariners, and they — you’ll see a whole bunch of 50-year-old white guys,” Rush told Teledyne Marine in a resurfaced interview. “I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational and I’m not going to insp…

Ah, I see he's got the 'Elon Musk school of thought' in regards to cutting corners in vehicles carrying people's lives and seeing safety regulations as a nuisance hindering his "visionary progress" that these pesky gray-beard engineers just can't grasp. Fucking idiot CEO, took 4 innocent people with him. Aero, naval, automotive, all have a a history written in blood, and all those rules and regulations aren't to hind…

I support the hate but don’t compare this to Elon Musk, his companies have taken more people more places safer than dozens of other competitors.

Tesla is one of the safest car brands to drive, SpaceX has yet to kill or maim anyone.

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Post by sandworm101 »

timeon wrote: post #210
Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

I agree with your observation but Mediterranean disaster had coverage since last week at least in European news I am following. This accident will also soon disappear from the news since we now know the fate.

How many rescue ships were deployed to the med incident? How many to the titanic? The victims/ships ratio demonstrates that one garnered exponentially more government attention.

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Post by logifail »

dheera wrote: post #196
soperj wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least he died doing it and not someone he employed.

It's also probably related to the "launch or die" ecosystem that Y Combinator, Sand Hill investors, and pretty much the entire ecosystem promotes. When was the last time an investor handed an additional $10 million check for 0% to a startup to improve and test their safety systems before launching? Instead their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but…

> their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but not a deep sea vessel

Hypothetical users of the SaaS platform or grocery delivery app who find out later that their personal information wasn't handled with the appropriate safeguards might disagree with that one.

> Today's version of capitalism is every bit responsible for tragedies like this

Correct.

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Post by [deleted] »

rich_sasha wrote: post #179
SirMaster wrote: post #171

What I don't understand is, if it imploded, why didn't the boat hear the implosion? Surely that would be really loud. Louder than the 15 min audio ping that the boat is normally listening for.

I don't know. But sea water isn't a homogeneous medium as far as sound propagation is concerned. There are layers of changing salinity, temperature etc and these can effectively cut off sound propagation. Submarines (used to?) depend on such effects to avoid detection. Also, would the implosion necessarily be that loud? It would be like crushing a large tin really. Maybe blends in with background noise.

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Post by btgeekboy »

accrual wrote: post #157

Here are a couple of quotes I pulled from the USCG press release: > "debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel" > "1600 feet (487 meters) from the wreck of the Titanic" > "it is a smooth bottom", "there is no wreckage of the Titanic in the area" > "size of the debris field is consistent with an implosion in the water column" > "there doesn't seem to be any connection between the noises and the…

Part of me has been wondering if the noises being heard might be an unexpected discovery of a military (Russian, Chinese, US) submarine operating in the general area. Don’t they submerge for long periods of time without comms?
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