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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by inferiorhuman »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #275
hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you. And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe.

  I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if
  you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown
  into trying to find you.
Sure, if you're rich.

  And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe.
If you're poor you'll end up like the hundreds of children still stuck on the Andriana.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by codedokode »

margalabargala wrote: post #40
fuzzbazz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would the implosion have been loud enough? I mean the thing was a tiny 7x3m cylinder located 700Km from the nearest coast...

I have no idea specifically how loud it would have been. However with some probably-reasonable guesses, it looks like it actually would have been quite loud. Here's a naval study where they measured underwater sound propagation: https://www.navymarinespeciesmonitoring.us/files/7514/2780/4... They found that a 10lb block of C4 exploding produced ~210db of underwater sound. If we use that sound level as an approximatio…

Your calculations might be wrong. If the distance is 1000 km (1M meters), and inverse square law is correct, then the sound would become 1M*1M = 1T times more silent. 1M times smaller is 120 dB less, and 1T times smaller is 240 db less, so the amplitude of sound should be at 210 - 240 = -30dB less than threshold of hearing.

Also, I wonder, if sound of explosions propagate that well, can one install multiple sensors to detect and map source of gunfire and artillery positions in realtime? (I hope I haven't disclosed NATO military secrets here).

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by BoxFour »

deanc wrote: post #305
lamontcg wrote: post #58

Well that's better than slowly asphyxiating or dying of hypothermia, probably didn't even know what hit them.

Can someone walk me through what would have happened, physically, to a human body in the moment this happened. I’m curious. Similar to wondering what happens to people in space.

Outer space is vastly different due to the significantly lower pressure differential.

For this case: To put it simply, picture an unexpected scenario where an airplane plummets from above and lands directly on top of you. The impact would be quite painless.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by ummonk »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

I don't think it has much to do with refugees vs. holiday trip. Other stories of (potentially) trapped people such as the Thai soccer team or the Chilean miners received similar nonstop coverage and media attention.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by carbine »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #303
carbine wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No amount of poor decision making changes the fact that several precious human lives were lost. Frustration over the company's potential negligence and sadness over the loss of life can coexist.

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Well I wouldn't agree with either position. Human life is human life, but I guess some people seem to believe that either poor OR wealthy people are less deserving of sympathy, care, and investment of resources.

I happen to disagree, but you do you.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by chasd00 »

paganel wrote: post #207
renewiltord wrote: post #202

Well, that's a conclusion that I suppose many expected. It's rather tragic, yeah. What I can't say I expected is the gleeful tone from: - class warfare enthusiasts because the passengers were rich - regulation enthusiasts because the pilot espoused weakening them You'll see this online when a pedestrian or cyclist gets hit by a driver (along with "right of way doesn't mean anything when you're dead!" and "was he wear…

We're not allowed to "eat the rich" anymore because of the repressive nature of the neo-liberal system, so incidents like this one where not one, but two billionaires find their gruesome death is the closest to a Middle Ages egalitarian-imposing peasant revolt that we could ever get. Sucks for the 19-year old kid involved in all this, that I agree with.

> Sucks for the 19-year old kid involved in all this, that I agree with.

the 19 year old was rich too, shouldn't you be celebrating?

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by js2 »

> OceanGate’s submersibles are the only known vessels to use real-time (RTM) hull health monitoring. With this RTM system, we can determine if the hull is compromised well before situations become life-threatening, and safely return to the surface. This innovative safety system is not currently covered by any classing agency.

Given that Stockton Rush risked and lost his own life, he must have believed these words. He ignored pleas from others in the industry that what he was doing was unsafe. What was he thinking?

https://archive.ph/yBrpk

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by AH4oFVbPT4f8 »

Hamuko wrote: post #301
AH4oFVbPT4f8 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope the other souls onboard fully understood the risk of death, otherwise that isn't fair to them. To relate it to flying in an airplane, “If you take one flight a day, you would on average need to fly every day for 55,000 years before being involved in a fatal crash.” I'll take those odds. Take a deep dive in an experimental vessel with public safety concerns expressed over years, nope I'm out.

They all had to sign multi-page waivers that mention "death" no less than three times on the first page.

That is simply wild, is the multi-page waiver available to read?

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by tptacek »

dmonitor wrote: post #337
methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

would they be vaporized or instantly compacted? my morbid curiosity kind of wants to see what would happen to a body under such insane pressure conditions.

As I understand it: the pressure vessel was full of air, and at the moment it failed, that air-filled space became the equivalent of the cylinder of a 2-stroke engine, instantly heating as the air compressed.
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