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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by pmcjones »

stringfood wrote: post #314
Hamuko wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He seemed especially proud about combining titanium and carbon fibre against the advice of others, which seems to now have been in a pretty active role in the demise of the Titan. > "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur who said "you're remembered for the rules you break." And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me…

Apparently if you put titanium and carbon fibre next to each other in salt water the titanium begans to corrode at quicker rate. Can read more here: https://www.corrosionpedia.com/galvanic-corrosion-of-metals-...

The article you cite says "Therefore, there is no significant gap between titanium and carbon-fiber-reinforced composite to create galvanic corrosion. This means that commercially pure titanium and its alloys are completely resistant to galvanic corrosion when they are coupled with carbon composites." This seems to be the opposite of what you are asserting.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by krisoft »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #626
krisoft wrote: post #461

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> I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you I wouldn’t know, because i live in the kind of society where if you are lost at sea and you call for help but the call handler assumes that you have the wrong kind of passport they just tell you to call some other country and then hun…

Pretty disingenuous when those 'refugees' were simply planning on illegally entering the UK, and everyone involved knew it. >The refugee said it was his fourth attempt to cross the Channel. During the previous three attempts French police had caught them on the beach and punctured their dinghies with knives. Honestly didn't realize though refugees thought the benefits in the UK were better than France's.

Not disingenous at all. They were lost at sea and there were no irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find them. There were not even rational level of resources thrown into trying to find them. There were not even half-assed-pretending-to-care level of resources thrown into trying to find them.

This is a simple observation of facts. If you don’t like some implication if it so bad for you. I don’t like it either, but I suspect we disagree in what way we don’t like the implications.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by michaelcampbell »

scotty79 wrote: post #416
ommpto wrote: post #258

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"Two months later, OceanGate faced similarly dire calls from more than three dozen people — industry leaders, deep-sea explorers and oceanographers — who warned in a letter to its chief executive, Stockton Rush, that the company’s “experimental” approach and its decision to forgo a traditional assessment could lead to potentially “catastrophic” problems with the Titanic mission." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us…

I don't understand why they didn't just drop it to the bottom of the ocean without people hundred times to see if it still holds. Who experiments with a crew in the age of remote control sensors and computers?

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by Rapzid »

rich_sasha wrote: post #179
SirMaster wrote: post #171

What I don't understand is, if it imploded, why didn't the boat hear the implosion? Surely that would be really loud. Louder than the 15 min audio ping that the boat is normally listening for.

I don't know. But sea water isn't a homogeneous medium as far as sound propagation is concerned. There are layers of changing salinity, temperature etc and these can effectively cut off sound propagation. Submarines (used to?) depend on such effects to avoid detection. Also, would the implosion necessarily be that loud? It would be like crushing a large tin really. Maybe blends in with background noise.

Like crushing a tin can with tactical nuke.

400 atmosphere of seawater pressure suddenly slamming together creates massive pressure wave.

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Post by TX81Z »

onionisafruit wrote: post #658
mcguire wrote: post #209

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He's also on record as saying things like, " It's obscenely safe because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn't innovated or grown — because they have all these regulations. " ( https://www.insider.com/titan-submarine-ceo-complained-about... )

It’s ok to mourn somebody who caused the tragedy that took them.

This is true, but he took others with him.

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Post by ghaff »

krisoft wrote: post #389
hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

> how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission Nobody asked me if I want to pay for it or not. So i don’t feel that the “we” is justified. But if they would have asked me i would have voted to not move a finger unless some private entity (the company or the families, or literally anyone who wants to) pays for it. They went out of their way to do so…

So who gets to arbitrate whether some activity is "unnecessarily" dangerous? I'm sure I do things that some people who mostly stick to good weather urban activities would consider unreasonably dangerous.

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Post by bastawhiz »

stickfigure wrote: post #666
jacquesm wrote: post #356

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I really couldn't care less. As far as I can see he was exactly what's wrong with people chasing money and forgetting about the possible consequences of their attitude towards other people's lives. I'm sure his relatives are grieving, but my sympathy goes to the family of the passengers first. As for the CEO's credentials: nature can't be fooled.

I don't know the guy, but this seems off the mark. If he wanted to get rich, spending 11 years on a money losing operation seems an unlikely choice. My take is that it was a passion project, a passion he shares with apparently a substantial number of well-to-do people. I don't judge.

Just because you spent 11 years on it losing money doesn't mean it's not in the interest of money. See: serial gamblers.

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Post by [deleted] »

bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

bambax wrote: post #471
Hamuko wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He seemed especially proud about combining titanium and carbon fibre against the advice of others, which seems to now have been in a pretty active role in the demise of the Titan. > "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur who said "you're remembered for the rules you break." And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me…

James Cameron is extremely critical of the design of the sub, and of Rush's attitude [0]. He says that carbon fiber was a very poor choice and that it had been known for a very long time, and that "deep submerged diving is a mature art". If you think you're going to reinvent the wheel and bypass regulatory bodies and ignore subject experts, and move fast and break things, you're delusional. Any baby can break things;…

Cameron says the sub had sensors that would detect if the sub was starting to delaminate. He says the sub was trying to return because they probably had a warning. How terrifying.

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Post by partiallypro »

krisoft wrote: post #499
js8 wrote: post #270

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Forgiveness. We frequently forgive stupid a5es, and adopt regulations to prevent other a5es causing too much damage. It was Jesus' message, after all.

You can easily find 10 people in any metropolis who are down on their luck. Spending the equivalent amount of resources on those 10 people you could achieve a lasting positive impact on their lives. Why not spend the money on those 10 people? Did Jesus teach us that a5es in submarines are more valuable than a5es in an ER or sleeping in an underpass?

You can make this argument for literally anything. It's cheaper to feed 100 kids in Africa for a month than to give someone treatment after a car accident. It's cheaper to give mosquito nets to African villages to fight malaria than to put out a house fire started by someone that ignored warnings of grease fires.

Basically everyone in this thread is in the top 1% of global wealth (not just industrialized or western wealth) and does stupid things all the time and get treatment or are rescued. Happens every day. So, the argument is really weak.

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