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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by ajmurmann »

carbine wrote: post #263
asynchronous wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not gonna shed a tear given how avoidable this entire tragedy was, and how terribly managed and selected his engineering team was.

No amount of poor decision making changes the fact that several precious human lives were lost. Frustration over the company's potential negligence and sadness over the loss of life can coexist.

Thank you for calling this out. It's also disheartening and quite frankly scary, to see how the passengers get dehumanized on other online platforms due to their wealth.

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Post by hguant »

asynchronous wrote: post #235
codetrotter wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean There is no way in hell I would pay $250k to board a janky-ass sub going deep into the ocean. For $250k, I could buy a nice house for me, my girlfriend and our future family. And even that is not possible yet. Because I don’t have that kind of money.

Reminder too that literally everyone is one country-ending catastrophic event away from being on a refugee boat

This is something of a false equivalence - yes, "everyone" is at risk from a country ending event, but not all countries are equally at risk.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by deskamess »

ak_111 wrote: post #189
cpleppert wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immediate implosion if a far more likely explanation because give that we knew it imploded the most likely time would be immediately after the pressure vessel reached maximum or near maximum stress and it failed. The time actually is not the biggest factor; it is the number of cycles the pressure vessel has endured. An implosion after a relatively low number of cycles is consistent with past incidents with pressuriza…

The most puzzling aspect, from what I understand from the experts, if it imploded at time and depth you are suggesting it would have been very likely to be registered by at least the controlling ship due to the noise. As you highlighted the sub is pretty large, imploding in a millisecond causes huge effects in the surroundings. So saying it got lost and imploded after a few days solves two problems. Explains why ther…

> it would have been very likely to be registered by at least the controlling ship due to the noise

Why would they be listening? They would be looking at a device that was communicating via SMS or some radar screen at best.

> and that the banging heard afterwards was the implosion

Every 30 min?

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Post by stringfood »

Hamuko wrote: post #231
mcguire wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's also on record as saying things like, " It's obscenely safe because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn't innovated or grown — because they have all these regulations. " ( https://www.insider.com/titan-submarine-ceo-complained-about... )

He seemed especially proud about combining titanium and carbon fibre against the advice of others, which seems to now have been in a pretty active role in the demise of the Titan. > "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur who said "you're remembered for the rules you break." And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me…

Apparently if you put titanium and carbon fibre next to each other in salt water the titanium begans to corrode at quicker rate.

Can read more here: https://www.corrosionpedia.com/galvanic-corrosion-of-metals-...

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Post by methodical »

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Titanic is "relatively shallow" in the ocean, to people speculating that the passengers may have drowned as opposed to being /literally/ instantly vaporized. I think, per usual, this whole event has gone to show just how quickly (some) people assume an authoritative position in areas they have absolutely no expertise or knowledge about. Rant over.

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Post by stuaxo »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

The funny thing is - they probably are closer to becoming a refugee.

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Post by passer_byer »

RektBoy wrote: post #306
Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

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Because regardless how you classify them, they are humans who deserve our empathy and compassion.

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Post by Shawnj2 »

btgeekboy wrote: post #220
accrual wrote: post #157

Here are a couple of quotes I pulled from the USCG press release: > "debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel" > "1600 feet (487 meters) from the wreck of the Titanic" > "it is a smooth bottom", "there is no wreckage of the Titanic in the area" > "size of the debris field is consistent with an implosion in the water column" > "there doesn't seem to be any connection between the noises and the…

Part of me has been wondering if the noises being heard might be an unexpected discovery of a military (Russian, Chinese, US) submarine operating in the general area. Don’t they submerge for long periods of time without comms?

I would think that military submarines would want to avoid a popular site for ocean expeditions

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Post by lostapathy »

asynchronous wrote: post #235
codetrotter wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean There is no way in hell I would pay $250k to board a janky-ass sub going deep into the ocean. For $250k, I could buy a nice house for me, my girlfriend and our future family. And even that is not possible yet. Because I don’t have that kind of money.

Reminder too that literally everyone is one country-ending catastrophic event away from being on a refugee boat

You must live on the coast. There's plenty of us in the midwestern US that could never make it to a coast before the boats were all gone.
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