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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Anyone know what happens to the body when suddenly exposed to a biblical amount of pressure? I'm morbidly curious about what state the bodies would be in.

With the pressures involved, nothing that remains could be identified as a human body. Everything within the ship got rapidly squished and disintegrated.

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Anyone know what happens to the body when suddenly exposed to a biblical amount of pressure? I'm morbidly curious about what state the bodies would be in.

Insanely high pressures resulting in insanely high temperatures, instant incineration, followed by a supersonic wall of water smashing everything happening in a small number of milliseconds - faster than anything the mind could perceive.

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It's a shame they openly did not hire SMEs.

This quote shines light on his hiring philosophy: “When I started the business, one of the things you’ll find, there are other sub-operators out there, but they typically have, uh, gentlemen who are ex-military submariners, and they — you’ll see a whole bunch of 50-year-old white guys,” Rush told Teledyne Marine in a resurfaced interview. “I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational and I’m not going to insp…

Upon rereading the quote I noticed the use of "in a resurfaced interview". I wonder if that was an intentional jab.

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It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

> the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean There is no way in hell I would pay $250k to board a janky-ass sub going deep into the ocean. For $250k, I could buy a nice house for me, my girlfriend and our future family. And even that is not possible yet. Because I don’t have that kind of money.

> For $250k, I could buy a nice house for me, my girlfriend and our future family.

That's not even enough of down payment for a tear down where I live!

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

I think the migrant boat disaster is horrible. But I was more interested in this missing sub because it was a bit mysterious what happened to it initially. Then it all comes out how badly built it is, how it's a death trap, etc. It's just more interesting personally. It doesn't mean it's worse than the migrant boat, it's just more interesting and I'd rather read about it. Mysterious cases always get more traction on…

The contrasting coverage is IMHO largely due to the novelty of the situation, and nothing to do with any moral judgement on the victims. Tragically, migrant boat disasters are common.

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Can someone walk me through what would have happened, physically, to a human body in the moment this happened. I’m curious. Similar to wondering what happens to people in space.

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Not sure about decompression, after all they started at normal pressure before the incident so they wouldn't have unreasonable amounts of gasses in theur bodies that could expand to huge volumes when pressure lessens.

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Well his actions lead to several other people dying too. Maybe the ticket they bought has a contract that exempts OceanGate (tragic name for a company going through their own #OceanGate a la Watergate) from any liability, but I hope this company gets annihilated in court with criminal and civil penalties. Slacking this hard on safety for a submarine engineering company should not be tolerated in our rapidly advancing…

My first thought was Heavens Gate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_g...

Same here.

39 to beam up.

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I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

Real-world training for the newbies, exercise for the journeymen, and teaching moments for the experts. That alone is worth my tax dollars for keeping a robust search and rescue force. At least some of the CEO's estate should go to paying for it, but pay out to victims' families first.

Exactly. Same reason that, even setting aside basic humanitarian ethics, it made sense for fire departments from all over America to send their crews to help out after 9/11 even though the victims didn't fund them; the experience is well worth the expense.

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Stockton Rush (OceanGate's CEO) was known in the Seattle tech community [0] My understanding (very much not first hand) is that he was seen as an expert in the specific engineering disciplines necessary to safely build and operate deep sea submersibles like Titan. He was also apparently a father to members of the Seattle tech community, who are no doubt grieving at the moment. Please remember that, for some members o…

Good video. Some excerpts: "If you're not breaking things, you're not innovating. If you're operating in a known environment as most submersible manufacturers do, they don't break things." (8:49) "Our rule is we risk capital, we don't risk people." (9:56) "We used the same prepreg that's used on the 787." (11:15) And my favorite: "When you're outside the box, it's really hard to tell how far outside the box you reall…

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