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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

Real-world training for the newbies, exercise for the journeymen, and teaching moments for the experts. That alone is worth my tax dollars for keeping a robust search and rescue force.

At least some of the CEO's estate should go to paying for it, but pay out to victims' families first.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Probably better to go away in an instant rather than sitting and waiting for the inevitable to happen.

In an instant unless OceanGate's patented monitoring system actually worked. If it did work, they would've had at least a couple of seconds to panic.

>Rush planned to pilot the sub himself, which critics said was an unnecessary risk: Under pressure, the experimental carbon fiber hull might, in the jargon of the sub world, “collapse catastrophically.” So OceanGate developed a new acoustic monitoring system, which can detect “crackling,” or, as Rush puts it, “the sound of micro-buckling way before it fails.”

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/0776658...

I don't suppose there is a huge line to license this technology.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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What I don't understand is, if it imploded, why didn't the boat hear the implosion? Surely that would be really loud. Louder than the 15 min audio ping that the boat is normally listening for.

My guess would be that the Oceangate ship ignores everything that it's not 'expecting' to hear. I don't really know anything about deep sea exploration, but having general purpose microphones in the water seems like a bit of an oversight to me, given the marginal cost of having them.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

> And of course the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean.

My opinion is the complete opposite, I think it has more coverage because it's a feel good event for 90% of the world who absolutely despise rich fucks in that specific part of the dumb X rich venn diagram

I haven't seen a single post about how sad the sub story is... it's all memes and people amazed at how stupid humans can be

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

I think there is value in living in the kind of society where you know that if you are lost at sea there will be arguably irrational levels of resources thrown into trying to find you. And not just the rich either, no matter what Twitter would have you believe.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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post #192

What I don't understand is, if it imploded, why didn't the boat hear the implosion? Surely that would be really loud. Louder than the 15 min audio ping that the boat is normally listening for.

Or half the east coast. The implosion[?] of the ARA San Juan was supposedly heard 6000km away by hydrophones at Ascension Island. ( https://www.ctbto.org/news-and-events/news/ctbto-hydroacoust... ) Or maybe they did and the data hasn't been processed/made public yet.

Was interested by this comment and wanted to note a few things. The Titan is significantly smaller (in terms of length ~1/10th the size although obviously displacement is the real measure)[1][2]. And the depth of the implosion is about 4x deeper[1][3]. So there are things that could definitely affect the sound signature.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Juan_(S-42)

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Titan_submersible_incid...

[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

Does the search team/agency simply eat the cost or does the cost get passed back to the insurance for the company, the company itself, or the CEO personally since he has the means to pay. Further, everyone on board has the means to pay for a recovery, should they too share some of the cost?

> The mission of the United States Coast Guard is to ensure our Nation's maritime safety, security and stewardship

> We will serve our Nation through the selfless performance of our missions.

> We will honor our duty to protect those we serve and those who serve with us. [1]

In answer to your question: No. That's what taxes are for.

There could be other legal penalties if the SAR mission is prompted by negligence or illegal activity but the Coast Guard doesn't chase anyone down for operating costs.

[1] https://www.history.uscg.mil/Home/Missions/

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Well, that's a conclusion that I suppose many expected. It's rather tragic, yeah. What I can't say I expected is the gleeful tone from: - class warfare enthusiasts because the passengers were rich - regulation enthusiasts because the pilot espoused weakening them You'll see this online when a pedestrian or cyclist gets hit by a driver (along with "right of way doesn't mean anything when you're dead!" and "was he wear…

>Makes me want to use the Internet less

This sort of thing on the internet predates many of us being born. The Darwin Awards got their start on Usenet in 85.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

Also the coastguards were tripping over each other to save these 5 men, while for the refugees the speculation is if the coastguard contributed to the wrecking.
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