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I've come around to the idea that codes of conduct are generally sensible. In business we write contracts to explicitly state expectations, and it seems fair enough that socially we could be explicit about our values. That said, it is true that there are malicious actors who weaponise codes of conduct. I wonder if there's an equivalent to vexatious litigation in the CoC space. Perhaps there ought to be some means to…
The only effect of a Code of Conduct I have ever personally witnessed was that people were being bullied for greeting others. The greeting they used was "hey guys", and instead of recognizing that language is fluid and different to different people they tried to impose their linguistic views on others. The people who encouraged this behavior were people on the Code of Conduct committee and at the top of the project's…
I'm from a part of the US where "guys" is used as a gender neutral collective noun. My mom and grandma would call out "guys, dinner is ready!" to the whole family to call us to the table for example. So it's definitely whiplash inducing for the same group of people preaching inclusion and tolerance, and how we need to accept regional and racial dialects in the workplace, to then turn around and implement slackbots th…
The idea of a native (probably white) English speaker lecturing them on it being sexist or non-inclusive is repugnant to the extreme. At that point they've lost the argument, and can frankly get fucked.
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Most CoC, unlike law, only list some general idea / ideology... In this specific CoC GCC use, "Be friendly" / "Be respectful" can be _very_ subjective.. This is super flexible and open to abuse.
The problem is that there's a committee that largely operates in the dark. Instead, the committee should be limited to gathering the information and, if any action is to be taken, it should ultimately be decided by a "jury of one's peers"--eg a group of non-committee members of the project selected at random. You'd probably have the project leadership operate in some capacity as a "judge". I mean... there's a reason…
I see a lot of people here forgetting a real case of CoC abuse. There was this famous Drupal dev that wrote a transcript of a fetish wedding on his fetish social media profile. An enemy of his on Drupal quoted that transcript and used it as examples the Dev should be punished. Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished,…
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> Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished, an ex girlfriend of his was harassed by "helpful" people Oh wow. I was undecided about the helpfulness of CoC as sometimes people in the project can become hostile, unstable or passive-aggressive. But this case is very bad. Seems like CoC opens up ways for character assassina…
i would also recommend you research who came up with and popularized the CoC that everyone uses, and what comments this person had about what would happen when popular projects adopt it. I wont tell you, as I dont want to be accused of putting words in anyones mouth, this will probably be downvoted, but go look it up yourself if you care. In general i'd say, it doesnt matter who brings information, only what the info…
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In most instances it is not the rules that are the problem, it is the people enforcing the rules that is the problem Power Corrupts, and any time you give a group of humans power over another group of humans they will abuse that power. EVERY TIME. No human can resist, and it an immutable law of psychology. Power Corrupts and will be abused. CoC's formalize this power, and result of which is inevitable
> In most instances it is not the rules that are the problem, it is the people enforcing the rules that is the problem You need two things for this kind of problem to occur: 1. people who abuse power 2. rules that allow this abuse (in this case the CoC) You cannot change humans, but you can lobby to prevent 2 from happening (in this case lobby against a CoC to become adopted).
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Enforcement of this code of conduct would seem to inherently put the enforcers in violation of the Code. The Code states, " Harassment and other exclusionary behavior aren't acceptable. " Yet, targeting specific individuals with exclusion seems to be the main method of enforcement. As you indicated, the linked-to page recommends exclusion be used: " In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect…
> The Code states, "Harassment and other exclusionary behavior aren't acceptable." > > Yet, targeting specific individuals with exclusion seems to be the main method of enforcement. That's not the gotcha you think it is; enforcers get higher privileges to enforce. Cops have the authority to carry a gun and kill people; the army has the authority to carry and use guns that civilians don't. "Take some time off" is a mo…
In government cops should not have more authority to "carry a gun and kill people" over that of the average person. If a cop needs to use deadly force, then any other person in that same situation should be authorized to use deadly force.
Rules for theee but not for me is a terrible doctrine, equality for everyone (including the enforcers) under the law should be the goal
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i would also recommend you research who came up with and popularized the CoC that everyone uses, and what comments this person had about what would happen when popular projects adopt it. I wont tell you, as I dont want to be accused of putting words in anyones mouth, this will probably be downvoted, but go look it up yourself if you care. In general i'd say, it doesnt matter who brings information, only what the info…
After a brief Google search, I think you're referring to Coraline Ada Ehmke, but I can't find anything problematic about her, what she's said, or her goals — unless you're referring to the fact that she's transgender and cares about social justice. Is that why you're being deliberately vague? Would you mind elaborating instead of vagueposting? What are your specific concerns? What is "extremely objectively poor" abou…
They were literally _FIRED_ from Github because of a "problem" with a female coworker, allegedly.
Github was like the "wokest" startup at that time, with diversity officers and what not before everybody else, after the sex harassment scandal...
One can be oppressed because of their characteristic while still being oppressive toward others.
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Language is power. It is simply a power grab where people invent new language and initialisms intending to claim ownership and control of them and use them as a tool to, like you say, exclude people. DI became DEI became DEIB in less than a decade. They are working on new initials as we speak, to confuse and demoralize anyone who opposes this make-it-up-as-we-go-along sophistry. Inventing all of this language infrast…
Can you explain what the abbreviations are for those of us out of the loop?
Inclusion
Equity
Belonging
they're not meaningful
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I remember that. It was a massive shitshow from all sides in my opinion. So Larry was into BDSM, that basically made women slaves. He was into the whole community thing and went to a wedding that was in the community. He gave a speech. he shared his speech. Larry's enemy used that as a weapon. But Larry's girlfriend was/is mentally challenged - I dunno what exactly but there were some issues on the mental side of thi…
BDSM doesn't "make women slaves". Either women or men can choose to take submissive roles, and that is their free choice among practitioners. Likewise, either women or men can choose dominance (in fact it is popular for a dominatrix to be paid for her services.) The BDSM community (not merely people who have a fetish) is very careful about safety and respect for others. There are safewords and failsafes and safety ch…
This specific BDSM-fetish did. That was part of the kink and the ideology behind it.