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GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by LexiMax »

dmm wrote: post #173
LexiMax wrote: post #112

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> They generate outrage because they are accompanied by people trying to change the definition of open-source If the precondition of learning lessons from past licenses is that they must follow the rules set by those past licenses as holy writ, then it follows that organizations like the FSF with leaders like RMS are the best you can hope for. Personally, I think we as a community of developers are capable of better.

Open Source is a term invented in 1998 a direct alternative to Free Software which is the term used by RMS/FSF. Bringing up RMS is irrelevant. If you want to promote licenses which don't meet the definition of FOSS, that's fine! Just call it something else. Here are some ideas: - Shared Source - Clear Source - Awesome Source - Friendly Source - Just Source

These conversations invariably get hijacked by OS/FS advocates who intentionally pick language designed to put any license that doesn't follow its dogma into one big bucket, despite the sometimes significant material differences between them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by [deleted] »

RetpolineDrama wrote: post #121
theepauk wrote: post #79

The only effect of a Code of Conduct I have ever personally witnessed was that people were being bullied for greeting others. The greeting they used was "hey guys", and instead of recognizing that language is fluid and different to different people they tried to impose their linguistic views on others. The people who encouraged this behavior were people on the Code of Conduct committee and at the top of the project's…

I personally never contribute to an OSS that has a CoC, and if I find my organization is using OSS that has a CoC I actively work to remove it and ban my employees from contributing to it. CoC's are poison, and if your project has a "Code of Conduct committee" it is dead to me. I fully admit this hasn't been possible for everything, but I'm making great progress

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by kergonath »

beej71 wrote: post #135
RetpolineDrama wrote: post #121

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I personally never contribute to an OSS that has a CoC, and if I find my organization is using OSS that has a CoC I actively work to remove it and ban my employees from contributing to it. CoC's are poison, and if your project has a "Code of Conduct committee" it is dead to me. I fully admit this hasn't been possible for everything, but I'm making great progress

Does your organization have a code of conduct itself?

Mine does not, but then around here we have anti-bullying, anti-harassment and anti-discrimination laws so these things are penal matters, not merely contract breaches.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by sigzero »

ozr wrote: post #179
kelnos wrote: post #10

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> One guy says "the first example deadlocks", and that makes someone feel uncomfortable, properly fixed by kicking him out of the conference. Oh, please. That's just unfounded FUD-spreading.

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Not "seems", it is ridiculous.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by fwungy »

redeeman wrote: post #109
practice9 wrote: post #58

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> Drupal, like GCC proposed rules, allow punishment of someone for something they did outside the community, and not only the guy was punished, an ex girlfriend of his was harassed by "helpful" people Oh wow. I was undecided about the helpfulness of CoC as sometimes people in the project can become hostile, unstable or passive-aggressive. But this case is very bad. Seems like CoC opens up ways for character assassina…

i would also recommend you research who came up with and popularized the CoC that everyone uses, and what comments this person had about what would happen when popular projects adopt it. I wont tell you, as I dont want to be accused of putting words in anyones mouth, this will probably be downvoted, but go look it up yourself if you care. In general i'd say, it doesnt matter who brings information, only what the info…

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by woooooo »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #182
nkuttler wrote: post #162

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The fact that it was white people bullying people from all over the planet only made it worse.

I've noticed that white people as a group regularly get abuse in anti-woke HN threads. Seems bizarre to me. I guess it is some kind of "gotcha", intended to undermine "woke" people but it seems a bit self-defeating. "White people are so racist they're even racist when they're trying to be non-racist" seems more woke than anti-woke to me, but that doesn't seem to be the intention.

It's specifically the phenomenon of rich 1-percenters trying to cancel each other that's grating.

Is there injustice in the world? Clearly. Are these people insufferable? Also very much yes.

In the tech context specifically, we are very international in a way that doesn't map to US culture wars, which makes the white woke people look even more out of touch with reality.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by davidjfelix »

There's an awful lot of straw man accusations going on in this thread from people who seem to feel threatened by some invisible person who is going to persecute them for something they believe or say or are as a person. Even just an ounce of empathy and you'd realize that's possible without a CoC too and the goal of establishing these boundaries is to protect the people who feel that same way daily because of who they are. If you feel more attacked than protected, it might be time to look inwards instead of accusing outwards.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Post by stainablesteel »

malwrar wrote: post #188

I honestly really prefer an abrasive community. I think one thing we lost with the adoption of CoCs was the ability of the community to naturally filter out low-quality or abusive (do my homework or project for me) participants, and encourage dedication by requiring new users to earn actual real respect before being given it. It felt rewarding and… real to me to participate in these sorts of spaces, and is one of the…

projects usually start off like this, but often a dedicated userbase moves in and requires broader language control. the wild west stagnates from stability.
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