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Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Post by adventured »

jimnotgym wrote: post #849
rob74 wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of the controller is symptomatic of their attitude, but I agree that it's probably not as relevant as, say, using an untested (and apparently untestable) carbon fiber hull: > Lochridge’s concerns mainly focused on the company’s decision to rely on sensitive acoustic monitoring – cracking or popping sounds made by the hull under pressure – to detect flaws, rather than a scan of the hull. Lochridge said the com…

If the news report is true, some sonar bouy heard a knocking sound. If they were knocking on the hull, at least we can be fairly certain that the hull did not implode.

We can't be fairly certain of anything regarding that knocking sound. They have no idea what it was and were not certain that it came from the sub.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Post by robertlagrant »

gambiting wrote: post #820
jonathanstrange wrote: post #815

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This is not true, the maker of this sub compromised substantially on safety and did not have it certified by an independent body like most other builders of deep sea submarines do. In fact, members of the small deep sea submarine community wrote a letter to the company warning them about the safety hazards and the lack of certification. Source: Today's interview with a deep sea exploration submarine commander on Germ…

As it's explained in another comment - the CEO wanted it tested but there isn't a facility anywhere on earth equipped to test it. Perhaps the argument then is that part of the company funding should have been building a custom rig designed for testing this highly custom 5 inch thick carbon fibre shell - but it's not like options to test it were available and were ignored.

The answer to "this can't be tested" isn't "don't test it". It's "don't use it".

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Post by Eisenstein »

civilitty wrote: post #889
Eisenstein wrote: post #756

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Sorry but that doesn't work in a reasonable society. You can't let just anyone do anything they want with the repercussions being 'they don't get rescued'. A few points: * You can't let rescue services decide who deserves to be rescued -- for so many obvious reasons it would be patronizing to list them * People with a lot of money and no sense can fuck things up on a massive scale if we let them do whatever they want…

That’s nonsense. “Reasonable society” has been building and using commercial submersibles going on nearly a century and suddenly, after less than half a dozen people die in a dumb vanity stunt, we suddenly need to create a suite of brand new regulations? Our legislators and regulators have much better things to spend their bandwidth on. What’s next? Are we going to start patrolling for DSVUIs, breathalyzing submarine…

> What’s next? Are we going to start patrolling for DSVUIs, breathalyzing submarine captains at random?

Are you saying that commercial marine pilots should not be held to be sober when operating a passenger carrying vessel?

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Post by robertlagrant »

somenameforme wrote: post #892
ilamont wrote: post #841

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The critical components like the capsule were designed alongside NASA I saw that claim, and wondered what it entailed. The founder is clearly in the mold of testing mission-critical/life or death systems in production, while skirting or floating the rules. Such a claim is like one of those logos you see on the front of software start ups home pages, claiming some usage by Google, MIT, or CERN, without any verificatio…

Their release is here [1]. The NASA tracking number is SAA8-2031655. The agreement started in 2020, and concluded in 2022. One of the guys on board the sub is Stockton Rush, the founder/owner of the company. He clearly believes (or believed as it may ultimately be) in the product they created, and wasn't just casually playing games for bucks. I would largely tune the media out on this. They have no more special insig…

> I would largely tune the media out on this. They have no more special insight than you or I.

The older I get, the more I think this.

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Post by robertlagrant »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #724
kumarvvr wrote: post #706

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Theranos is an outright fraud. Not the product of getting things done on fast track. They knew things could not be done and kept up the charade for long enough to profit off of it, and hopefully get away.

> Theranos is an outright fraud. Not the product of getting things done on fast track Theranos is product of the same culture. Company founder chases a goal they do not understand, and convinces investors its right around the corner. In actuality they have no clue. There is no foundamental difference between theranos diagnosis and tesla autopilot. The only reason we call theranos fraud is that we know conclusively th…

> Company founder chases a goal they do not understand, and convinces investors its right around the corner. In actuality they have no clue.

This can be said for many, many successful companies. Your category is too wide.

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Post by mrweasel »

miracle2k wrote: post #732
truemotive wrote: post #681

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I'm really frustrated by anyone that poo-poos this specific issue. One shall absolutely fucking obsess, me for instance about the game controller they used. Look at this. https://i.imgur.com/FrdR7TP.png So the F710 Logitech gamepad was something I wouldn't even trust as a teenager to let me play emulated retro games accurately. It has a hardware switch to toggle between DirectInput (an ancient input technology within…

> This controller is a metaphor for something that needs to immediately be regulated so that people like this can never get away with it again. There is something to be said for protecting people who would sign up for such an experience while misjudging the risk, or assuming that some government agency does provide oversight. Though, customers seem to have been informed that this is not the case: https://twitter.com/…

Just watched the video in the Twitter post... What's the point of diving to the Titanic if all you have to observe it is that tiny window?

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Post by ceejayoz »

barelyauser wrote: post #848
ceejayoz wrote: post #845

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And the ballast is held on via electromagnets. Lose (or deliberately cut) power, you're going up.

Isn't this like a huge waste of energy?

Between "waste some power on a magnet" and "we're permanently stuck on the bottom of the ocean about to run out of air", I know which one I'd pick.

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Post by civilitty »

Eisenstein wrote: post #903
civilitty wrote: post #889

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s nonsense. “Reasonable society” has been building and using commercial submersibles going on nearly a century and suddenly, after less than half a dozen people die in a dumb vanity stunt, we suddenly need to create a suite of brand new regulations? Our legislators and regulators have much better things to spend their bandwidth on. What’s next? Are we going to start patrolling for DSVUIs, breathalyzing submarine…

> What’s next? Are we going to start patrolling for DSVUIs, breathalyzing submarine captains at random? Are you saying that commercial marine pilots should not be held to be sober when operating a passenger carrying vessel?

I'm saying it can be enforced the same way it is in most industries that rely on dangerous equipment: via insurance policies, civil lawsuit, and criminal prosecution for negligence.

We don't breathalyze pilots when they board the plane, despite them being responsible for hundreds of people at a time, and millions of flights complete every year just fine.

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Post by [deleted] »

VilleOr wrote: post #763
truemotive wrote: post #681

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I'm really frustrated by anyone that poo-poos this specific issue. One shall absolutely fucking obsess, me for instance about the game controller they used. Look at this. https://i.imgur.com/FrdR7TP.png So the F710 Logitech gamepad was something I wouldn't even trust as a teenager to let me play emulated retro games accurately. It has a hardware switch to toggle between DirectInput (an ancient input technology within…

If I see correctly, the base of the screen is screwed to the hull? At least there is now less than the advertised 12.7 cm of carbon fibre composite at that point.

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