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I give up on free software phones (2019)

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Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

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I got my librem in the mail last week after waiting several years(!!) for shipping. It's complete trash. The software is shit, the battery is shit, it's expensive, low specs, completely unusable. I'm willing to compromise a lot in order to go with the free software approach, but my god, just do better. There's no excuse for how un-functional this thing is. Try harder. I had the same reaction with the pine phone a cou…

iphone has had millions and millions of dollars of research and development

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

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https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp02-4g-mobile-phone/ Not advocating for this, I do not own one, but I'm pretty sure this substantially covers all goals listed minus #8 (plus an unlisted one - Signal integration). I investigated and considered this option carefully. Ultimately ended up doing a Pixel running GrapheneOS (no microG) as a stop-gap until I buy either a Pinephone or Librem, once those are a little more us…

Punkt if it had an open software stack would have a sizable market, not main stream but definitely something reasonable. Something else that platforms like that, and for everyone else, is a standardized means of communicating with banks. That way it is not up to the bank to build and maintain apps for seperate platforms. That one devices like Punkt could build alternative apps to do these kinds of functions. Great in…

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Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

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I really wish there was a true and modern successor to the Nokia n900 I had ages ago... it was an awesome device.

That thing could have saved Nokia if they went all in.

The community around it was amazing.

They chased trends instead and couldn't keep up.

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

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typical user-hostile linux user opinion. If you're wondering why the year of the linux desktop hasn't happened yet, this is why.

The only people who wonder about the year of the Linux desktop are the people who don't use Linux :) We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use.

>> We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use.

And yet here you are hectoring the plebs, putting us in our place. It sure seems like you care, because if you didn't you would have kept quiet and got on with the good life.

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

#135

I got my librem in the mail last week after waiting several years(!!) for shipping. It's complete trash. The software is shit, the battery is shit, it's expensive, low specs, completely unusable. I'm willing to compromise a lot in order to go with the free software approach, but my god, just do better. There's no excuse for how un-functional this thing is. Try harder. I had the same reaction with the pine phone a cou…

iphone has had millions and millions of dollars of research and development

Billions

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

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I've been daily driving a PinePhone running postmarketOS + phosh for the last month and here is what I've found: 1. Yes, has a dialpad. Works as you would expect 2, 3, 4. Yes, works well on my carrier 5. The antenna is along the side of the phone I believe and the reception seems good, I haven't had issues with this 6. I would say SMS only works about 95% percent of the time. The phone does randomly disconnect from t…

You only mention installing, but did you have to configure tlp & irqbalance? Battery life is all that's keeping me from using my pro as a daily phone :)

I just installed it and that's it. tlp needs to be started if I recall from the docs but other then that I just left the defaults as they are

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

#137

Someone should do a Linux phone that scales way back: 1. you can dial phone numbers somehow 2. you can talk on the phone 3. you can hear the person on the other line 4. the cell reception on the phone is decent quality 5. antenna is properly placed for very good reception 6. basic SMS works, all the time 7. has been extensively tested to work with a single carrier, any other carrier is no warranty 8. boot time and sh…

#7 - so you're suggesting it only work in a single country?

I think that to be practical, you're going to outsource the cellular comms to a prebuilt module that's got the carrier certification already sorted out.

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

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"replacement for iPhone and Android" are your words, not theirs. And as for the PP the manufacturer has always been very explicit about it: https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-conve... >Beta Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience.

I have a Braveheart edition Pinephone for experiments. I know that Pine64 devices are very bluntly a work in progress. I'm more specifically talking about Librem in this case.

The first sentence in my comment is about the Librem 5.

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

#139

I got my librem in the mail last week after waiting several years(!!) for shipping. It's complete trash. The software is shit, the battery is shit, it's expensive, low specs, completely unusable. I'm willing to compromise a lot in order to go with the free software approach, but my god, just do better. There's no excuse for how un-functional this thing is. Try harder. I had the same reaction with the pine phone a cou…

no excuse, merely a conspiracy explanation: it simply cannot be permitted. somebody realized PC market/platform made a huge "mistake", letting anybody make software for them and permitting random hardware. this 'mistake' was avoided on smartphones for very pointed, clear, intentions of social control. there exists NO homebrew smartphone hardware like for PCs.

It’s not a conspiracy. It’s just economics. There is no money in it so there is no funding available for it. Things like Librem are practically basement operations compared to Apple, Samsung, and Google.

Mobile software is far harder and more costly to produce than desktop because the small form factor and rapid casual use cases mean there can be zero tolerance for bad UX. The amount of effort that goes into just getting things like touch keyboard and touch gestures just right is monumental. The tolerances are very tight.

PCs with big screens and keyboards can support I/O paradigms that are much less demanding of perfection or require much less polish to make usable. A PC can just put some buttons on the screen or use a command line and that works fine. A phone UI needs obsession.

Re: I give up on free software phones (2019)

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no excuse, merely a conspiracy explanation: it simply cannot be permitted. somebody realized PC market/platform made a huge "mistake", letting anybody make software for them and permitting random hardware. this 'mistake' was avoided on smartphones for very pointed, clear, intentions of social control. there exists NO homebrew smartphone hardware like for PCs.

Your conspiracy explanation doesn’t pass the sniff test. There’s a much much simpler explanation: lack of demand. Heck, you’d think people on hacker news would be all over open source alternatives to proprietary hardware, software, and services. Yet take a brief wander over to one of the many (many) recent Reddit crisis threads and you’ll find countless naysayers talking about how lemmy and the like will never succee…

The naysayers are jaded folks who have watched two generations trade all privacy, freedom, honesty, transparency, openness, and even ownership of their own data for convenience.

Judging by consumer behavior it appears that ease of use is more important than virtually any other concern.

People who really care about things like privacy and freedom are too few in number to tilt the market, and this is compounded by the fact that as a rule FOSS people don’t pay for things. So the market here is a small number of cheapskates.

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