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Modafinil and Startups

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Re: Modafinil and Startups

#71
post #13

The thing I find most interesting about Modafinil is how consistent the stories are about how people feel (and work) when they take it. Everyone talks of extreme focus, but perhaps a loss of judgement about what tasks are actually important. I don't have any particular conclusions about that - I just find it really interesting.

I've heard a fair number of people report getting no effect, and recall reading somewhere that there's a gene which separates modafinil responders from non-responders. It's just that non-responders tend not to talk about it, since it's much less interesting in that case.

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#72
post #15

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That is my own main takeaway... Which is why I don't take Modafinil anymore.

Did you post this once before? The entire article and especially the conclusion/takeaway sounds so very familiar! (but the publication date is today)

Nope, but I did post some of this in some hn comments before...

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#73
post #26

I've found it occasionally helpful, but it will in no way fix procrastination -- in fact you can procrastinate (by e.g. reading through top 100 random stories on reddit) more efficiently and with fewer regrets. If you can get into the "flow" (in the psychological sense) you're able to stay there for longer and are less likely to get interrupted, but you're better off starting the day with a clear todo list and by pri…

> I've found it occasionally helpful, but it will in no way fix procrastination -- in fact you can procrastinate (by e.g. reading through top 100 random stories on reddit) In my (ahem) friends experiments with modafinil he reported the same thing, i.e. that he procrastinated with a vengeance. Last time this happened he managed to get through O'Reilly's _Mastering Algorithms in C_ in a single sitting, though it was co…

I got as far as having some really intensely focused world of warcraft sessions on modafinil... What a waste...

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#74
post #22

Modafinil is also compared to amphetamines (which are often used either for recreation or to treat ADHD), since its effect is somewhat similar. Generally, the comparison states that amphetamines are bad for you and that Modafinil is not as bad because it "works differently", but there is probably more overlap than the proponents of Modafinil would like you to think. There is one massively huge difference between amph…

Furthermore, the article author is really stretching it with this statement: "Generally, the comparison states that amphetamines are bad for you and that Modafinil is not as bad because it "works differently", but there is probably more overlap than the proponents of Modafinil would like you to think." This has nothing to do with "proponents of Modafinil" - they work in different ways on the pharmacological level. Th…

Actually, I remember reading an article (on HN no less) that said that some studies had found that actually Modafinil worked similarly to amphetamines. Unfortunately I can't find the link for it anymore...

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#75
post #22

Modafinil is also compared to amphetamines (which are often used either for recreation or to treat ADHD), since its effect is somewhat similar. Generally, the comparison states that amphetamines are bad for you and that Modafinil is not as bad because it "works differently", but there is probably more overlap than the proponents of Modafinil would like you to think. There is one massively huge difference between amph…

I take Adderall, but not on the weekend. Always be careful when using phrases like "always" or "no one." I would not characterize myself as addicted to adderall either. Many times I have actually quit adderall and tried other ADHD medicines, but come back to adderall because it works better than the alternatives.

My body seems to have no problem stopping or starting amphetamines.

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#76
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you post this once before? The entire article and especially the conclusion/takeaway sounds so very familiar! (but the publication date is today)

Nope, but I did post some of this in some hn comments before...

It must have been a combination of those comments and this previously-posted article (also on the same drug):

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/superman/20...

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#77
post #68

It's worth noting that not everyone responds to modafinil. If you've had genetic sequencing done (I had mine done by 23andme), you can predict your response by checking your Rs4680 status. http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs4680 rs4680(G;G) carriers deprived of sleep respond quite well to 2x 100mg modafinil in terms of improved vigor and well-being, and maintained baseline performance with respect to executive functi…

Deficient in cortisol? That sounds very interesting... Isn't that the stress hormone? What kind of effects was that having on your life, other than the sleepiness?

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#78

I have taken 200mg of Modafinil daily for more than 5 years. Before it, I could go to sleep just about anywhere and just about any time. I could easily sleep for 12 to 14 hours a day if I let myself. When I had a work commute of about an hour and a half, I would have to pull over, sometimes four or five times, during the afternoon drive home to take cat naps because I couldn't keep my eyes open. It didn't matter how…

Very interesting! I'm curious: what's your fitness level, and does regular cardio (say, 30 minutes per day) have an effect? What about scheduling a 30 minute nap in the afternoon?

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#79
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is my own main takeaway... Which is why I don't take Modafinil anymore.

Coincidentally, I'm about to go off to college, where I'm sure I'll be sorely tempted by "intelligence enhancers" like Modafinil. Even in my high school there is rampant abuse of Adderall and other stimulants. Thanks for the timely discussion of their effects - although I'm not predisposed towards taking them, I've now got some good information on why there's no need to do so.

in my high school there is rampant abuse of Adderall and other stimulants

Recreationally, or for study?

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#80

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There are plenty of mind altering substances in our diet. I eagerly await the day we can culturally accept that alcohol is an archaic drug, and we can replace it with modern alternatives that don't destroy livers and families. Modafinil could already be a modern alternative to coffee. It's definitely not perfect, but in some ways it's a lot better and it seems to be safe enough. It's far from perfect - for example I'…

We had a great replacement for caffeine -- ephedrine. Mini-Thins were a staple of my college life. Then they banned it (I blame media hysteria), and now I'm stuck with the steeping ephedra plant leaves (known as "Mormon tea" in these parts) for the occasional late-night productivity boost.

My understanding is that ephedrine was one of very few drugs that had a demonstrated ability to increase metabolism and decrease hunger, at least when combined with caffeine[1]. It did so in relative safety, and the only deaths I'm aware of were due to overdose. Given the obesity problem in the US, I'm still amazed that it got banned.

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1318281

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