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Re: Modafinil and Startups

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Is it just me, or does using mind-altering substances to get through one's daily schedule seem like it crosses the line? I'm always a little baffled when people sacrifice their health for work - it's a very bad decision in the long term. You can always find another job, but once you damage your health, you may never get it back.

There are plenty of mind altering substances in our diet. I eagerly await the day we can culturally accept that alcohol is an archaic drug, and we can replace it with modern alternatives that don't destroy livers and families. Modafinil could already be a modern alternative to coffee. It's definitely not perfect, but in some ways it's a lot better and it seems to be safe enough. It's far from perfect - for example I'…

We had a great replacement for caffeine -- ephedrine. Mini-Thins were a staple of my college life. Then they banned it (I blame media hysteria), and now I'm stuck with the steeping ephedra plant leaves (known as "Mormon tea" in these parts) for the occasional late-night productivity boost.

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For anyone that's interested, when he says "online pharmacy", what that really means (at least in the US), is: A. An Overseas pseudo-legal (at best) operation that will send you the drugs discreetly in an envelope. The success rate of getting it through US Customs will be good as long as it's not shipped from a hot spot and does not come in a package. B. A Mexican drug dealing operation that smuggles the drugs across…

C. The Silk Road.

Modafinil on Silk Road is about twice the price of online pharmacies and most of the people selling it appear to be international.

Re: Modafinil and Startups

#63

Someone brought this up last time we talked about this on HN so I thought I would mention it here. Modafinil is technically a _stimulant_, not a cognitive enhancer (like piracetam).

Nothing says a "cognitive enhancer" can't be a stimulant. Nootropics can be anything.

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Trying to hack the body like this is the equivalent of fiddling around with some extremely complex code that you have no idea what does (in production, on an infinitely complex system with zero unit test coverage).

Your comment is nothing but a metaphor for fearing the unknown.

that's how I justify my drug use, too

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post #55

For anyone that's interested, when he says "online pharmacy", what that really means (at least in the US), is: A. An Overseas pseudo-legal (at best) operation that will send you the drugs discreetly in an envelope. The success rate of getting it through US Customs will be good as long as it's not shipped from a hot spot and does not come in a package. B. A Mexican drug dealing operation that smuggles the drugs across…

C. The Silk Road.

We're not supposed to talk about option C) here.

Re: Modafinil and Startups

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Interesting timing, just when I was about to swallow a 100mg pill of modalert to pull an all nighter and I find this on HN. I usually keep a few of them in drawers at home and work for one of those `rare occasions`. Tonight happens to be one of them.

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It's worth noting that not everyone responds to modafinil. If you've had genetic sequencing done (I had mine done by 23andme), you can predict your response by checking your Rs4680 status. http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Rs4680

  rs4680(G;G) carriers deprived of sleep respond quite well to 2x 100mg
  modafinil in terms of improved vigor and well-being, and maintained
  baseline performance with respect to executive functioning, whereas
  rs4680(A;A) individuals barely responded to the drug at all.
I'm A;A, and normally have almost no response to modafinil. I discovered, however, that I have significant modafinil response while on an MAOI (transdermal selegiline). I've stopped taking it recently, since I've finally tracked down the primary causes of my excessive sleepiness, (very deficient in vitamin D and cortisol). Modafinil has been a massive help both with fatigue and depression, and let me stay functional and productive through a difficult time in my life while I tracked down the actual problems.

Re: Modafinil and Startups

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I tried provigil for two weeks and it made me feel like a zombie. I was less sleepy but I felt kind of 'hazy', like there was something between myself and my thoughts slowing down the interaction. It did make me slightly more productive, and able to completely focus on boring tasks.

One interesting side effect is that it made me a bit more social and during those two weeks I had dozens of extremely boring (in hindsight) conversations with random co-workers. It seems to lower my threshold for boredom more than anything.

Re: Modafinil and Startups

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Modafinil is also compared to amphetamines (which are often used either for recreation or to treat ADHD), since its effect is somewhat similar. Generally, the comparison states that amphetamines are bad for you and that Modafinil is not as bad because it "works differently", but there is probably more overlap than the proponents of Modafinil would like you to think. There is one massively huge difference between amph…

Addiction is not just in the mind Addiction, in rats at least, appears to be more in the environment than the body. Rat Park[0] is a fascinating experiment demonstrating this. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

Thank you for bringing up the Rat Park experiment.

The Rat Park experiment is often conveniently ignored because it essentially debunks a lot of common 'wisdom' regarding drugs. It's hard to villainize certain drugs as 'bad' and evil' while endorsing others in light of the Rat Park experiment, which shows that 'bad' drugs aren't chemically 'bad' - they're just taken in a 'bad' setting.

Fortunately, the theory is now becoming harder to ignore, because that's the basis of a lot of effective modern drug treatment, which tries to identify the underlying cause of drug addiction (the environmental/behavioral problems that cause an individual to abuse drugs), rather than focusing on the drug use itself. That's not saying that drugs don't have a physical impact - they do - but if drugs are being used as an outlet to compensate for environmental factors, then removing access to those substances will just cause the underying problems to manifest in other (potentially worse) ways.

It's the difference between treating the symptom of a disease and treating the disease itself. Yes, you might want to take cough medicine if you have lung cancer, since it'll help with your symptoms, but you'd be a fool to think that that's going to cure the tumor that causes you to cough.

This theory is very powerful, because it means that you can use the same techniques to treat drug addiction and other psychological ailments like PTSD, anorexia and self-mutilation, which are themselves often best thought of as psychophysiological responses to environmental factors.

Interestingly, if you really want to use physiological symptoms as the basis for determining whether a drug is addictive or not, then alcohol is probably the most addictive substance known to man. If you ever want to give yourself a scare, look up some of the symptoms of acute alcohol withdrawal (which can actually kill you, after a long and painful bout of delirium tremens and worse).

TL;DR: Addiction is best thought of as a mental response to environmental factors. So, in a sense, it really is 'all in the mind'. Or alternatively, not at all in the mind, and all in the environment. Whichever way you prefer to think of it.

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