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Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by labrador »

piva00 wrote: post #42
user249 wrote: post #40

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> apps which are not easily monetised by reddit I don't see a lot of difference between reddit apps and AI companies. Why do you pretend that apps should make money off reddit data without paying for it? Just because they did in the past doesn't mean they have to keep doing it now that everyone has realized it's a valuable commodity.

You are probably very aware that the main issue the app developers have is not about paying for access or not , it's how heavy handed and in short notice the demand for payment from Reddit came. The 3rd party developers were very clear they were willing to figure out a way to pay for API access, it's just impossible to do it when you have 30 days notice to start being liable for a US$ 20m/year bill...

That's capitalism for you. I also don't like the brutality of it, but it seems to the most efficient system at creating wealth

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by worrycue »

TMWNN wrote: post #34
Gigachad wrote: post #30

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I’m thinking the actual outcome of this protest is that reddit has to replace all moderators with paid staff. Since free mods are all insane. The altruistic mods left when it became clear they aren’t building a community, they are doing unpaid janny work for a corporation that hates them.

> I’m thinking the actual outcome of this protest is that reddit has to replace all moderators with paid staff. Since free mods are all insane. Paid staff would indeed be a huge, huge improvement over ideologically driven no-lifes. What tipped me over to Reddit's side regarding the API change is the possibility that it will end the practice of mods sharing automated block lists (if you post in a wrongthink subreddit,…

Paid mods aren’t really much better. Whoever pays them will “pull their strings”. They will never truly be be on the side of the people/community they moderate. Like HR in corporations, ultimately they are accountable only to the ones that pay them.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by piva00 »

labrador wrote: post #51
piva00 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are probably very aware that the main issue the app developers have is not about paying for access or not , it's how heavy handed and in short notice the demand for payment from Reddit came. The 3rd party developers were very clear they were willing to figure out a way to pay for API access, it's just impossible to do it when you have 30 days notice to start being liable for a US$ 20m/year bill...

That's capitalism for you. I also don't like the brutality of it, but it seems to the most efficient system at creating wealth

Could you expand on what's capitalistic about being a dick to 3rd party apps?

As a platform you can monetise that, turning it into wealth, the value is already there. These users prefer the experience of the platform provided by someone else than Reddit. In my mind, if principles of capitalism were in play here, and Reddit is well managed, they would find an efficient way to make money out of value that's already being delivered. Forcing apps to shutdown won't be doing that.

The current move is just a dick move with the potential to make Reddit less valuable than before, I do not understand what principle of capitalism states that this specific brutality is efficient at creating wealth.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by Shekelphile »

laniakean wrote: post #45
Shekelphile wrote: post #10

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That is already happening.

Did it already happen to any subs that we know of?

Bunch of examples here of subs that reopened upon threat of being stripped of head mods or had actual head mods stripped of permissions: https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14cr2is/alternati...

r/adviceanimals was the first major subreddit to be retaliated against in this way, where an inactive mod used the opportunity to appeal to admins and remove the others.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by labrador »

piva00 wrote: post #53
labrador wrote: post #51

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That's capitalism for you. I also don't like the brutality of it, but it seems to the most efficient system at creating wealth

Could you expand on what's capitalistic about being a dick to 3rd party apps? As a platform you can monetise that, turning it into wealth, the value is already there. These users prefer the experience of the platform provided by someone else than Reddit. In my mind, if principles of capitalism were in play here, and Reddit is well managed, they would find an efficient way to make money out of value that's already bei…

> being a dick to 3rd party apps

You're making it personal, when it's business, not personal.

> users prefer the experience of the platform provided by someone else

Maybe reddit will buy the app that people like so they can monetize it

> Forcing apps to shutdown won't be doing that

Reddit is not forcing apps to shutdown. They are asking them to pay market value for the data

> I do not understand what principle of capitalism states that this specific brutality is efficient at creating wealth.

Reddit data is a commodity whose price is set by buyers and sellers. If your business depends on the price of a commodity being under a certain price and that price goes up and your business fails, that sounds like capitalism to me. Reddit has discovered that the value of their data has gone up with the arrival of AI and are asking people to pay accordingly. If you go out of business then you are among the first casualties of AI, , with many to follow. It's time to rethink your business model.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by neurostimulant »

Gigachad wrote: post #29
pocketarc wrote: post #11

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Not yet - there isn't a suitable replacement yet. But this would've been the perfect time for a Reddit alternative. I think this will actually not change much for the users themselves. They'll continue using Reddit as normal, and move on. Mod teams will be shuffled, and some of the people using third-party apps (like myself) will just... not use Reddit as much (or at all). I also don't know how a multi-hundred-millio…

Voat kinda looked like it would take off and I saw a lot of tech subs creating communities there, but then reddit didn’t die and voat became purely racists. But they had the UI and stuff all perfect. Much better than lemmy

Things are different if fediverse due to its federated nature. Sure, the UX is not great yet, but one bad actor cannot destroy the whole ecosystem. Some communities turn racists can't ruin the entire ecosystem. Heck, even the project owner himself cannot ruin the ecosystem because everyone run their own instance from the available source code and can fork at moment notice. Compare that to Reddit where the CEO has enough power to force all protesting subreddits to reopen and kill all 3rd party apps. Such thing is not possible in fediverse.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by literallyroy »

politelemon wrote: post #35
Euphorbium wrote: post #22

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Tildes is a replacement I have chosen, it is a million times better.

To be honest I'm finding it a great alternative to HN too.

Could I request an invite to check it out?

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by Seattle3503 »

Euphorbium wrote: post #22
pocketarc wrote: post #11

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Not yet - there isn't a suitable replacement yet. But this would've been the perfect time for a Reddit alternative. I think this will actually not change much for the users themselves. They'll continue using Reddit as normal, and move on. Mod teams will be shuffled, and some of the people using third-party apps (like myself) will just... not use Reddit as much (or at all). I also don't know how a multi-hundred-millio…

Tildes is a replacement I have chosen, it is a million times better.

Tildes is a good "Frontpage of the internet replacement" but not "community of communities" replacement. If you want a community to talk about 70s blacksploitation films, the beat you will get is... ~movies

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by anaganisk »

user249 wrote: post #23
anaganisk wrote: post #21

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Dude the top AI company, "Open"AI, founded by Sam Altman is a board member of reddit, I'm all for conspiracy but at least get the basics right. I myself have a conspiracy theory that he is pressuring Reddit to build a moat. Also disallowing API access does shit, to stop API companies from scraping anyway, because they can still scrape off the site like how search engines do it, so even my conspiracy may only be true…

> Sam Altman is a board member of reddit Well then, he's acting responsibly by not letting every other AI company have the data for free. I'm not impugning all mods. I appreciate their work. But some let the power go to their heads

The data which he acquired for free in the first place? Hypocrisy much?

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by robswc »

err4nt wrote: post #50
pocketarc wrote: post #11

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Not yet - there isn't a suitable replacement yet. But this would've been the perfect time for a Reddit alternative. I think this will actually not change much for the users themselves. They'll continue using Reddit as normal, and move on. Mod teams will be shuffled, and some of the people using third-party apps (like myself) will just... not use Reddit as much (or at all). I also don't know how a multi-hundred-millio…

The 'replacement' of Reddit may not look in appearance much like Reddit at all. Communities can center around anything. Just the other day I found a 'proudly anti-fascist' linux distribution with a community of ideologically-aligned friends all having a community around a linux distribution. Others I know have found deep friendships after initially meeting over music groups and going to concerts together. Rather than…

>a 'proudly anti-fascist' linux distribution

I don't tend to keep up with online discourse... but what has happened with linux?

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