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Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by anaganisk »

user249 wrote: post #18
DANmode wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which has never been a big money maker. What are you on about, here?

Reddit has never made a lot of money. AI companies scrapped all their data for free which wasn't fair. So they start charging to support the site. I don't see how reddit owners are in the wrong here. But mods are behaving as expected, like petulant children.

Dude the top AI company, "Open"AI, founded by Sam Altman is a board member of reddit, I'm all for conspiracy but at least get the basics right. I myself have a conspiracy theory that he is pressuring Reddit to build a moat. Also disallowing API access does shit, to stop API companies from scraping anyway, because they can still scrape off the site like how search engines do it, so even my conspiracy may only be true to certain extent. Also mods are volunteers, they keep the community conformant to the sub rules, mods who don't watch their content will lead to comments like "Why is this on this sub", "sub has gone to shit", there are people who genuinely take care of their subreddit. They're kind of unpaid janitors.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by Euphorbium »

pocketarc wrote: post #11
robswc wrote: post #6

I think this can honestly be the nail in the coffin for Reddit as many people know it. I know it could easily be justified that it was “dead” years ago and the quality has only degraded over the years… but this really anchors things to the summer of 2023 being when things objectively changed in a big way. To be sure, Reddit itself will go on but only as a husk of its former self.

Not yet - there isn't a suitable replacement yet. But this would've been the perfect time for a Reddit alternative. I think this will actually not change much for the users themselves. They'll continue using Reddit as normal, and move on. Mod teams will be shuffled, and some of the people using third-party apps (like myself) will just... not use Reddit as much (or at all). I also don't know how a multi-hundred-millio…

Tildes is a replacement I have chosen, it is a million times better.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by user249 »

anaganisk wrote: post #21
user249 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has never made a lot of money. AI companies scrapped all their data for free which wasn't fair. So they start charging to support the site. I don't see how reddit owners are in the wrong here. But mods are behaving as expected, like petulant children.

Dude the top AI company, "Open"AI, founded by Sam Altman is a board member of reddit, I'm all for conspiracy but at least get the basics right. I myself have a conspiracy theory that he is pressuring Reddit to build a moat. Also disallowing API access does shit, to stop API companies from scraping anyway, because they can still scrape off the site like how search engines do it, so even my conspiracy may only be true…

> Sam Altman is a board member of reddit

Well then, he's acting responsibly by not letting every other AI company have the data for free. I'm not impugning all mods. I appreciate their work. But some let the power go to their heads

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by wh0knows »

8note wrote: post #17
throwawaylinux wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others, and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place. The value is in the users, the people who create content. And to that end the freest, fairest, and mos…

The power-users and power-mods tend to overlap, so that's about the same group. People unhappy with moderator choices can do what they always did, make the community that matches what they want. > if people like it and want to use it and continue to participate ... Except the blind of course, or anyone else with accessibility needs. They'll be required to pay extra for access

Reddit already made an exception for accessibility focused apps, so your last statement is not accurate.

For your first point, the moderators don’t own the subreddits they moderate, so the users should not have to attempt to recreate a community every time they encounter a power-tripping moderator. The moderators are stewards that are supposed to reflect the desires of the community, not owners who get to control the ability to use that community based on their whims.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

#25

Post by theshrike79 »

Euphorbium wrote: post #22
pocketarc wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet - there isn't a suitable replacement yet. But this would've been the perfect time for a Reddit alternative. I think this will actually not change much for the users themselves. They'll continue using Reddit as normal, and move on. Mod teams will be shuffled, and some of the people using third-party apps (like myself) will just... not use Reddit as much (or at all). I also don't know how a multi-hundred-millio…

Tildes is a replacement I have chosen, it is a million times better.

It would be a nice replacement except for:

> Tildes is currently in invite-only alpha, and you must be invited to be able to register. Most of the existing users have the ability to invite others

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by theshrike79 »

wh0knows wrote: post #24
8note wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The power-users and power-mods tend to overlap, so that's about the same group. People unhappy with moderator choices can do what they always did, make the community that matches what they want. > if people like it and want to use it and continue to participate ... Except the blind of course, or anyone else with accessibility needs. They'll be required to pay extra for access

Reddit already made an exception for accessibility focused apps, so your last statement is not accurate. For your first point, the moderators don’t own the subreddits they moderate, so the users should not have to attempt to recreate a community every time they encounter a power-tripping moderator. The moderators are stewards that are supposed to reflect the desires of the community, not owners who get to control the…

> Reddit already made an exception for accessibility focused apps, so your last statement is not accurate.

Reddit picked two accessibility apps seemingly at random and ignored the requests of /r/Blind for example.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by theshrike79 »

/r/pics is now just pics of John Oliver after they were forced to open. They are open, people can post pics but mods will remove everything that's not John Oliver.

Same with /r/gifs

/r/steam was forced open and they'll most likely pivot to posting pictures of actual steam.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

#28

Post by worrycue »

TMWNN wrote: post #19
throwawaylinux wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others, and for each moderator there are 100 sycophants and narcissists lined up to take their place. The value is in the users, the people who create content. And to that end the freest, fairest, and mos…

>Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others Context for others: There are powermods who "moderate" hundreds of subreddits. This is not an exaggeration. Hundreds. At least one has/had thousands. When questioned, they invariably say that they…

So the only ones staying are the power tripping losers?

That will bode well for the health of the platform. /s

Then again, maybe such platforms were never “healthy” to begin with. Instead of healthy open discussion, the karma system creates a scenario no different from the Black Mirror episode “Nosedive”.

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

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Post by Gigachad »

pocketarc wrote: post #11
robswc wrote: post #6

I think this can honestly be the nail in the coffin for Reddit as many people know it. I know it could easily be justified that it was “dead” years ago and the quality has only degraded over the years… but this really anchors things to the summer of 2023 being when things objectively changed in a big way. To be sure, Reddit itself will go on but only as a husk of its former self.

Not yet - there isn't a suitable replacement yet. But this would've been the perfect time for a Reddit alternative. I think this will actually not change much for the users themselves. They'll continue using Reddit as normal, and move on. Mod teams will be shuffled, and some of the people using third-party apps (like myself) will just... not use Reddit as much (or at all). I also don't know how a multi-hundred-millio…

Voat kinda looked like it would take off and I saw a lot of tech subs creating communities there, but then reddit didn’t die and voat became purely racists.

But they had the UI and stuff all perfect. Much better than lemmy

Re: Reddit is trying to sow division in mod teams because the protest is working

#30

Post by Gigachad »

worrycue wrote: post #28
TMWNN wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Makes sense. Reddit moderators are even more deluded about where the site's value is than they portray its owners to be. It is certainly not in the moderation work, which many do to satisfy their need for power over others Context for others: There are powermods who "moderate" hundreds of subreddits. This is not an exaggeration. Hundreds. At least one has/had thousands. When questioned, they invariably say that they…

So the only ones staying are the power tripping losers? That will bode well for the health of the platform. /s Then again, maybe such platforms were never “healthy” to begin with. Instead of healthy open discussion, the karma system creates a scenario no different from the Black Mirror episode “Nosedive”.

I’m thinking the actual outcome of this protest is that reddit has to replace all moderators with paid staff. Since free mods are all insane.

The altruistic mods left when it became clear they aren’t building a community, they are doing unpaid janny work for a corporation that hates them.

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