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Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by maxlamb »

dizhn wrote: post #163
maxlamb wrote: post #142

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I've actually started to get short ads (3-4s) on YT starting about 3-4 months ago even though I've been paying YT premium for years at $18/month. I realized it's only when I cast it to my TV, so maybe that's how they can get away with it. It doesn't happen every time but was still pretty pissed about it.

It might be the casting depending on the device. I believe casting just refers a url to the device. Since you're not logged in there it will not know you have premium. TV apps where you can log in should work fine.

I don't think that's it because when I tried casting YT from an account that doesn't have Premium, I get way more ads, i.e. 10-20x as many, and much longer ads, just like in the app, so maybe 100x the total ad time. When I cast with YT Premium they're literally 2-3 second ads, and they occur very rarely, so it looks to me that these ads are specifically "calibrated" for YT Premium subscribers, maybe on the order of 1% (or less) of the total ad time of a basic account. And they only occur if I've watched a lot of YT, maybe over 3-4 hours in a day. I don't understand why Google thought it would still be worth pissing off Premium accounts for this little ad time.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by threads2 »

joker_minmax wrote: post #82
threads2 wrote: post #73

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We won a set of fancy cast iron pans and gpt explained to us what each of them are for. Way better experience than googling or reading wikipedia.

What made the experience better to you? I would feel compelled to Google search everything after the fact to make sure it wasn't lying to me.

yeah I went back to google to verify the information - like the other commenter said, I didn't know where to start, so gpt was very helpful.

It's shocking how gpt has almost no utility though because you can't actually TRUST anything it says. I've been thinking about that a lot lately.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by hakfoo »

gerdesj wrote: post #131
samwillis wrote: post #118

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It's not just investors, Google is the quintessential example of a company that has taken metric based decision making too far. Everyone in the organisation has metrics to meet, and those KPIs affect promotions and pay. If your KPIs are entirely driven by revenue/profit it distorts the decision making of everyone and focuses on what large impact an individual or team can make to their bottom line, no mater what the c…

"Everyone in the organisation has metrics to meet, and those KPIs affect promotions and pay. If your KPIs are entirely driven by revenue/profit it ..." That is how a publicly traded corporation works, whether you or I like it or not. When you get a listing on stock exchanges you are asking for investment from Tom, Dick and Harry. In return you sell your soul errr provide a return on that investment, in return for mor…

"You Get What You Measure" means you have to be smart about what metrics you pick.

Instead, we've got a lot of really stupid, but "easy to track" metrics. Today's top-line is easy to track, how much you've burnt through customer goodwill for tomorrow isn't.

You also see a lot of metrics engineered to be gamed. NPS probably meant something in some early original use case, but it's turned into the universal consensus that we're not allowed to actually say "I only got 4.5 star service" out of fear the $10-per-hour schlub giving us that service will be punished for things outside his control.

I wonder-- we know what theoretical research for things in CS and IT look like, but are the "academic" sides of business schools trying to come up with better metrics?

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by interestica »

cheschire wrote: post #119
interestica wrote: post #116

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YouTube web on chrome seems to not have (interstitial video) ads while iOS native app has an absurd number. It almost seems like a ‘bug’

Adblockers work to block them. If you use an Adblock in chrome that’s likely why you don’t see them. I use an iOS Adblock tool and have replaced my native YouTube app with a shortcut to the safari site. That way Adblock works there too.

I don’t have any adblocker installed in iOS / Chrome. Chrome does have a native setting to block popups.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by fewald_net »

x1ph0z wrote: post #166
PugPaladin wrote: post #43

I'm surprised that I'm asking this because I've been such a fan of Google for years....but does anyone have alternative suggestions for Google products? ( Looking for alternative suggestions for: 1. Google Maps (yikes was it bad when I used it this week) 2. Google Docs (such a frustrating lack of features) 3. Google Drive (it's impossible to find anything when you are sharing docs with someone) 4. Google Search (Chat…

For Google maps if you have an iphone then i recommend Apple Maps. The traffic data isnt great and their map data could use work and no offline maps (yet!), but i find their directions easy to follow and the UX miles ahead. Lane changes are clearly communicated ahead of time, and the directions are something I’d tell another human, i.e fewer turns than the “optimal” path.

Second Apple Maps. It has gotten quite good over the years and uses also less battery than google maps.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by dizhn »

maxlamb wrote: post #171
dizhn wrote: post #163

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It might be the casting depending on the device. I believe casting just refers a url to the device. Since you're not logged in there it will not know you have premium. TV apps where you can log in should work fine.

I don't think that's it because when I tried casting YT from an account that doesn't have Premium, I get way more ads, i.e. 10-20x as many, and much longer ads, just like in the app, so maybe 100x the total ad time. When I cast with YT Premium they're literally 2-3 second ads, and they occur very rarely, so it looks to me that these ads are specifically "calibrated" for YT Premium subscribers, maybe on the order of 1…

Might very well be the case. We do not seem to be having that yet in our locality.

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by benhurmarcel »

Dudester230602 wrote: post #88
vram22 wrote: post #83

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Nowadays while watching videos in YouTube, I get more occurrences of ads, even in short videos, compared to just a few days back. Very irritating. Started looking out for other options than YouTube.

I often forget YouTube even has any ads, but then again I am using uBlock Origin.

Right, for now that still works

Re: Ask HN: Has Google search switched to infinite scrolling for you too now?

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Post by bunga-bunga »

SilasX wrote: post #123
bunga-bunga wrote: post #85

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> it clears scrolling state by browser back Twitter handles this masterfully (or used to) > or page refresh. Technically you can use history.replaceState to store, ahem, state on the "current page", so nothing stops you from saving a cursor there to use when loading the content. The issue with infinite scroll is that very few people know how or care to "make it work correctly"

I wish browsers did this as a default option. The back button should never have a noticeable delay.

They do if you use non-ajax navigation: the scroll position is preserved and so is the document as last seen: https://web.dev/bfcache/

But once you call history.pushState, the browser is relinquishing control to you. At that point, going “back” only changes the URL, as far as the browser is concerned, and that part is instantaneous.

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