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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by mplanchard » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:32 PM UTC

everybodyknows wrote: post #51

mplanchard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter who you are, talking to the police is a bad idea. This is a constant piece of advice from every lawyer AND POLICE OFFICER I’ve ever known. I have several cops in my family, and they all advise to never talk to the cops.

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Sure, in case it’s necessary, the advice above applies mostly in regards to talking to or being questioned by the police in situations where they are acting in their official capacity and in which you are not directly seeking their immediate assistance. It also applies when talking to police who are not acting in their official capacity about any real or alleged crime that you may be involved in in any way, no matter how tangentially.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by boringuser2 » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:36 PM UTC

I have a simple script that I have constructed to deal with the police when/if I ever get questioned. I feel it strikes a good balance between the potential ways of approaching this.

While I would like to be helpful to your investigation, in order to ensure my rights are protected, I cannot speak with you without a lawyer present. I appreciate your patience and understanding.

In my mind, this balances being respectful, dealing with potential follow-ups in the vein of "only a guilty person would say that", shutting down potential conversation, etc.

If anyone has good edits, I'm all ears.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by boringuser2 » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:38 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #15

Note cops are trained to assume that cagey people could be guilty. (1) I wonder if this guy wants to make more work for himself and people in his profession, and (2) Black and White people might get very different results from this and other advice.

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by JoyfulTurkey » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:38 PM UTC

a2tech wrote: post #57

netule wrote: post #50

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It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

That would definitely be surprising for most Americans. Many of us (like my wife) never carry id unless they plan on driving.

I feel weird without it and I always carry my ID in the US, even when just going for a walk around the neighborhood.

Not hard for me since it’s in my wallet and I use one of those slim wallets and don’t carry many other cards and don’t stash receipts in the bill area like some people do.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by robador » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:46 PM UTC

AlecSchueler wrote: post #47

A friend of mine recently had quite a bad experience asking the police for help with directions as he was traveling through the Netherlands. He was trying to figure out where he was using the map on a bus stop and approached a nearby police car to ask for assistance. They demanded his ID which he was not carrying at the time. He explained that it was in his bag at the place where he was staying and they said he neede…

This pisses me off to no small amount (as a Dutchman). Yes, the law says you have to be able to identity yourself, but you can only be asked if there's a good reason. Not a lawyer, but asking for directions is very much not a good reason (even when not speaking Dutch).

Interestingly the English explanation is much more ambiguous than the Dutch:

"These officials [police] may not ask to see proof of identity without giving a reason. " https://www.government.nl/topics/identification-documents/co...

Whereas in the Dutch version:

"De politie mag alleen uw identificatiebewijs vragen als daar een goede reden voor is." Translation: "The police may only ask for your identification if there's a good reason to do so" Typical.

I would lodge a complaint: https://www.politie.nl/onderwerpen/klacht-over-de-politie-in... (page in Dutch)

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by hluska » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:51 PM UTC

abashedtemplate wrote: post #120

wegwerp wrote: post #108

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Honestly, lots of us Dutchies leave the house from time to time without ID. I don’t even think to carry it when I go running, or to the gym. And most of the time if you interact with the police while out without your ID it isn’t really a problem. But that is of course only reliably true if you’re Dutch. The right kind of Dutch, too. Autochtoon used to be considered the polite term. (I always found it rather menacing…

your mind has been corrupted by US propaganda

You set up an entirely new account to insult someone’s thought process? That’s very weak. Particularly because the conversation is about a totally different country.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by paulpauper » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 8:59 PM UTC

hollywood_court wrote: post #127

I was raised by career long LEOs. My mother and father and all 3 of my stepfathers were LEOs. They always told me to never speak to the police. Every interaction with a police officer is inviting trouble into your life. They exist to monetize your mistakes. They have no legal obligation to assist you in any manner.

what if you are asked to identify yourself such as for a speeding ticket or a Terry stop. I don't think it's clear cut.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by fknorangesite » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 9:02 PM UTC

everybodyknows wrote: post #51

mplanchard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter who you are, talking to the police is a bad idea. This is a constant piece of advice from every lawyer AND POLICE OFFICER I’ve ever known. I have several cops in my family, and they all advise to never talk to the cops.

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Instead, please comment in good faith.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by mplanchard » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 9:02 PM UTC

paulpauper wrote: post #137

hollywood_court wrote: post #127

I was raised by career long LEOs. My mother and father and all 3 of my stepfathers were LEOs. They always told me to never speak to the police. Every interaction with a police officer is inviting trouble into your life. They exist to monetize your mistakes. They have no legal obligation to assist you in any manner.

what if you are asked to identify yourself such as for a speeding ticket or a Terry stop. I don't think it's clear cut.

This is clear cut. There are situations where you are legally obligated to interact with the police, like providing your identification at a traffic stop. In any other situation, you should avoid interaction with the police.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by lurquer » Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 9:03 PM UTC

Happily for the State, no matter how many times you give this obvious advice, people will still blab away and incriminate themselves.

Ha. Even in a thread such as this peopled by highly educated types, you see comment after comment expressing some disbelief with this obvious advice.

This advice precedes the 5th am, incidentally. So long as you live in a system where the State has the burden of proof, it is NEVER beneficial to say ANYTHING to a cop.

But, like I said, many folks don’t understand this. So, lawyers and prisons and judges will always have a job.

I suppose it’s like a senior programmer advising a noob not to create a pointer object using ‘new()’ within a frequently called function… but, folks will do it anyway. Oh well.