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Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by woodruffw »

everybodyknows wrote: post #52
sgjohnson wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Another topic that everybody should know about is juror nullification. Jurors who are aware of jury nullification are routinely dismissed.

Is it indeed routine to ask prospective jurors if they are aware of the term? Anecdata: I can see how it might be possible, based on my own jury duty callup last month. Hundreds in the waiting room, when individual trials did "go to jury", a secondary lottery chose from the hundreds a batch of more than 60 to go for interview. So, the lawyers would be further weeding out some 80%.

> Is it indeed routine to ask prospective jurors if they are aware of the term?

It probably varies, but it isn't routine where I live. I've been called for voire dire and subsequent selection a few times, and haven't ever been asked about nullification.

(I think the majority of people get excluded based on whether the trial's schedule would be an unreasonable hardship/imposition, voluntarily disclosed conflicts of interest, etc.)

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Post by HyperSane »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #47

A friend of mine recently had quite a bad experience asking the police for help with directions as he was traveling through the Netherlands. He was trying to figure out where he was using the map on a bus stop and approached a nearby police car to ask for assistance. They demanded his ID which he was not carrying at the time. He explained that it was in his bag at the place where he was staying and they said he neede…

That is very stupid.

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Post by HyperSane »

abashedtemplate wrote: post #120
wegwerp wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, lots of us Dutchies leave the house from time to time without ID. I don’t even think to carry it when I go running, or to the gym. And most of the time if you interact with the police while out without your ID it isn’t really a problem. But that is of course only reliably true if you’re Dutch. The right kind of Dutch, too. Autochtoon used to be considered the polite term. (I always found it rather menacing…

your mind has been corrupted by US propaganda

What does the US have to do with The Netherlands required people to have ID at all times?

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Post by c4mpute »

everybodyknows wrote: post #51
mplanchard wrote: post #21

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No matter who you are, talking to the police is a bad idea. This is a constant piece of advice from every lawyer AND POLICE OFFICER I’ve ever known. I have several cops in my family, and they all advise to never talk to the cops.

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You should call the police. But preferrably in a way that cannot be traced back to you. Unfortunately, there aren't any phone booths anymore...

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by HyperSane »

jameshart wrote: post #112
gymbeaux wrote: post #73

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I could give a damn about 2A/the right to bear arms, but if I had to ID myself to police for asking for directions…

Please complete the sentence for me. How does this thought end?

He would be angry at such a stupid law.

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Post by HyperSane »

yieldcrv wrote: post #61
netule wrote: post #50

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It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

Its interesting how generic “travel” advice is incompatible with so many countries the generic advice is “leave your passport locked at the hotel so you dont get it stolen by pickpockets” but also “never not have your passport on you because the local government wants to check it at any time” how do you all reconcile that on a day to day basis?

Keep your passport in a hidden pocket no easily reachable by pickpockets.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by hollywood_court »

I was raised by career long LEOs. My mother and father and all 3 of my stepfathers were LEOs.

They always told me to never speak to the police. Every interaction with a police officer is inviting trouble into your life.

They exist to monetize your mistakes. They have no legal obligation to assist you in any manner.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by HyperSane »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #4
throwawaywu wrote: post #3

Also don't talk to federal agents. Lying to a federal agent is a felony, and often times they don't have enough evidence for the original crime, but by talking to you they get evidence of you lying

Michael Flynn has entered the chat. If you can, get past his ideology and that he was a Trump guy, the actual process of what happened to him and what he was charged with is pretty crazy. He was very stupid for talking to agents without a lawyer. But, they went in and got him to lie about something that wasn’t a crime, and he didn’t actually do. Also on the front page of HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite…

Michael Flynn is literally a traitor to the US.

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Post by freetime2 »

lepus wrote: post #60
Johnny555 wrote: post #8

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Is there any country where it's advantageous to speak more than required to the police? (I'm sure there are some countries where you're required to speak more than in the USA where you're legally allowed not to speak at all without a lawyer)

Just one example is it's the norm to ask police for directions in Japan.

Police in Japan also go door-to-door introducing themselves to residents, gathering basic info (what is your job, how many people living here, etc), sharing details about recent crime in the neighborhood, etc. [1] While it is supposedly voluntary, I think just about everyone complies.

I personally have always played along as the police are always very friendly when making rounds, and wish to maintain that friendly relationship. I also consider myself a beneficiary of the low crime rates here, and consider participation to be a civic responsibility.

http://www.accessj.com/2013/02/police-home-visits.html

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Post by HyperSane »

sneak wrote: post #49
gumby wrote: post #45

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“No one likes a cop until they need one”. Cops are not inherently your foe, but that does not imply that they are in any way inherently your friend, even when you are part of the “in group”. In the US the relatively recent shift to use of the term “law enforcement” both reflects and drives a self-destructive nature in the broad culture. Your insightful point, “The police's sole purpose is to punish crime, not to prev…

> Cops are not inherently your foe From a game theoretical POV this is false; no good can come from speaking to them, and only bad can.

Even if your spouse or child was murdered and you know the identity of the killer? This is a very silly statement.
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