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Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by atomflunder »

morsch wrote: post #69
netule wrote: post #50

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It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

It's the same in Germany, but I still wouldn't expect the police to ask for my ID when asking for directions. The fact that you need to be able to identify yourself when asked doesn't mean that they are supposed to ask for it for every interaction.

IANAL, but 99% sure that the situation in Germany is that you have to identify yourself (give name, birthday, (address?)), but you /don‘t/ have to carry (or show) your government issued ID at all times.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by aziaziazi »

yieldcrv wrote: post #61
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

Its interesting how generic “travel” advice is incompatible with so many countries the generic advice is “leave your passport locked at the hotel so you dont get it stolen by pickpockets” but also “never not have your passport on you because the local government wants to check it at any time” how do you all reconcile that on a day to day basis?

In my experience the general advice is : “Always carry with you a copy printed of your passport while leaving the original locked at the hotel”.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by mavhc »

sneak wrote: post #49
gumby wrote: post #45

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“No one likes a cop until they need one”. Cops are not inherently your foe, but that does not imply that they are in any way inherently your friend, even when you are part of the “in group”. In the US the relatively recent shift to use of the term “law enforcement” both reflects and drives a self-destructive nature in the broad culture. Your insightful point, “The police's sole purpose is to punish crime, not to prev…

> Cops are not inherently your foe From a game theoretical POV this is false; no good can come from speaking to them, and only bad can.

Report a crime, get crime solved - are you saying this has never ever happened?

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by mavhc »

everybodyknows wrote: post #51
mplanchard wrote: post #21

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No matter who you are, talking to the police is a bad idea. This is a constant piece of advice from every lawyer AND POLICE OFFICER I’ve ever known. I have several cops in my family, and they all advise to never talk to the cops.

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Maybe if you text them that doesn't count as talking

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by jrmg »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #75
a2tech wrote: post #57

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That would definitely be surprising for most Americans. Many of us (like my wife) never carry id unless they plan on driving.

Even in the US it's weird. I arrived on a passport + visa. No requirement to carry it. Got a driver license. No requirement to carry that either, unless I'm driving . But now that I have a Green Card I need to carry it at all times. At least until I get citizenship. I live in a state that allows for having my driver license on my phone.

As someone who also lived on a visa in the US, I think you were required to carry it at all times like your green card. It’s just never enforced.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by AlecSchueler »

netule wrote: post #50
AlecSchueler wrote: post #47

A friend of mine recently had quite a bad experience asking the police for help with directions as he was traveling through the Netherlands. He was trying to figure out where he was using the map on a bus stop and approached a nearby police car to ask for assistance. They demanded his ID which he was not carrying at the time. He explained that it was in his bag at the place where he was staying and they said he neede…

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

True, I don't think of it much now that I've been living here for a few years. But it's scary how easily someone can be caught out while traveling through the NL from one part of Schengen to another where these rules don't apply.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by krisoft »

paulpauper wrote: post #67
yieldcrv wrote: post #61

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Its interesting how generic “travel” advice is incompatible with so many countries the generic advice is “leave your passport locked at the hotel so you dont get it stolen by pickpockets” but also “never not have your passport on you because the local government wants to check it at any time” how do you all reconcile that on a day to day basis?

Traveling to foreign lands entails different rules and customs, which means new possible risks. Too many people think that their values or rules are universal. I think this is a major cognitive blind spot. It's like traveling to foreign lands with their different rules and customs is not such a smart idea, overall. Error on the side of caution.

> it's like traveling to foreign lands with their different rules and customs is not such a smart idea, overall.

Jeez. That is the reason why it is a good idea. Go out, and learn how similar or different other places are. Do you want to always experience the same old, same old? Yeah it causes an inconvenience sometimes, and good times at others.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

throwawaywu wrote: post #3

Also don't talk to federal agents. Lying to a federal agent is a felony, and often times they don't have enough evidence for the original crime, but by talking to you they get evidence of you lying

This is how Martha Stewart got sent to the klink, not for insider trading.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by sneak »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #63
sneak wrote: post #59

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My attorney. They can speak to the police on my behalf, which would likely be necessary in the first scenario (though it would yield no benefit to me). In the latter case, I would not call them at all. What good would police contact do in either of those cases? In each instance they cannot help me.

If someone tried to run me down with a car, what good can the police do? Arrest the person before they try to kill me again, that's what. Keeping me from dying is definitely "helping me".

Unlikely. In the case you describe without additional evidence they would have no basis for an arrest (otherwise you could have anyone arrested arbitrarily by accusing them of same). The police would likely only involve themselves if they actually succeeded in running you down. Even if there were video surveillance available they aren't going to go get a warrant and review the tapes because some guy came in accusing someone. It's simply not how that works.

The police (in the USA) are reactive and respond after crimes are committed, not before (unless they are responding to social disorder requests, which is generally unrelated to crime). Even then they choose which crimes they deem worthy of responding to (the classic example being rape victims being dissuaded from proceeding with making a police report).

Most people have a mistaken mental model of how police actually function. Most police officers are about as non-proactive as you can get (except near the end of the month when the traffic ticket quotas are due).

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by ccooffee »

belter wrote: post #34
dang wrote: post #25

Related. Others? Don't Talk to the Police - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23390344 - June 2020 (6 comments) Don't Talk to the Police – James Duane - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19717507 - April 2019 (4 comments) Don't Talk to the Police (2012) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15886628 - Dec 2017 (165 comments) Don't talk to the police [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6001859 - July…

Don't Talk to the Police Part 2 - https://youtu.be/tIt-l2YmH8M

This was a really disappointing video. It is a 30 minute infomercial for a book that constantly says "what if ? well, you'll have to read the book".
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