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Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by yieldcrv »

netule wrote: post #50
AlecSchueler wrote: post #47

A friend of mine recently had quite a bad experience asking the police for help with directions as he was traveling through the Netherlands. He was trying to figure out where he was using the map on a bus stop and approached a nearby police car to ask for assistance. They demanded his ID which he was not carrying at the time. He explained that it was in his bag at the place where he was staying and they said he neede…

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

Its interesting how generic “travel” advice is incompatible with so many countries

the generic advice is “leave your passport locked at the hotel so you dont get it stolen by pickpockets”

but also “never not have your passport on you because the local government wants to check it at any time”

how do you all reconcile that on a day to day basis?

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

sneak wrote: post #49
gumby wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“No one likes a cop until they need one”. Cops are not inherently your foe, but that does not imply that they are in any way inherently your friend, even when you are part of the “in group”. In the US the relatively recent shift to use of the term “law enforcement” both reflects and drives a self-destructive nature in the broad culture. Your insightful point, “The police's sole purpose is to punish crime, not to prev…

> Cops are not inherently your foe From a game theoretical POV this is false; no good can come from speaking to them, and only bad can.

Say someone is robbing houses in the neighborhood. If I tell the cops as much as I know, maybe they find the perp before my house is robbed.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

sneak wrote: post #59
gumby wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won’t categorically say the opposite, but I think your statement is overwrought. If someone murdered your spouse, or tried to run you down with a car, who are you going to call? In the first case at least they are surely going to suspect you, so you should still be careful. But “no good can come of it”?

My attorney. They can speak to the police on my behalf, which would likely be necessary in the first scenario (though it would yield no benefit to me). In the latter case, I would not call them at all. What good would police contact do in either of those cases? In each instance they cannot help me.

If someone tried to run me down with a car, what good can the police do? Arrest the person before they try to kill me again, that's what. Keeping me from dying is definitely "helping me".

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by __rito__ »

a2tech wrote: post #57
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

That would definitely be surprising for most Americans. Many of us (like my wife) never carry id unless they plan on driving.

This is very strange for an Indian, too.

We do not carry ID unless we are driving (driving license), using long-distance transport, or going to vote.

Always carrying ID is such a strange idea!

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by Garrrrrr »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #42

Haha. First time submitting a link (and it blowing up, it’s on page 4!). I’m in wonder how I did unleash all this stream of comments, as my eyes are fixed on the karma point, reloading the page, watching it increase like it never did before, despising myself for that at the same time for falling to the gamification and thinking it’s time to nuke my HN account.

reposting good videos gets you a long way I guess. 'karma' isn't very real here or anywhere

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by paulpauper »

yieldcrv wrote: post #61
netule wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

Its interesting how generic “travel” advice is incompatible with so many countries the generic advice is “leave your passport locked at the hotel so you dont get it stolen by pickpockets” but also “never not have your passport on you because the local government wants to check it at any time” how do you all reconcile that on a day to day basis?

Traveling to foreign lands entails different rules and customs, which means new possible risks. Too many people think that their values or rules are universal. I think this is a major cognitive blind spot. It's like traveling to foreign lands with their different rules and customs is not such a smart idea, overall. Error on the side of caution.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by jcranmer »

dragonwriter wrote: post #53
kmoser wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you have the right to remain silent, I remember reading somewhere that you have to actively invoke that right (by stating something like "I invoke my 5th amendment right to remain silent") for your silence to be considered an invocation of that right, and not merely suspicious behavior, an implicit admission of guilt, or obstruction of justice. This is actually reprehensible, since invoking a right should mean…

> While you have the right to remain silent, I remember reading somewhere that you have to actively invoke that right (by stating something like "I invoke my 5th amendment right to remain silent") for your silence to be considered an invocation of that right, and not merely suspicious behavior, an implicit admission of guilt, or obstruction of justice. This is, as I ubderstand it, incorrect on multiple levels. First,…

> First, all you need to do is shut up to exercise the right.

Actually, as I understand it, SCOTUS has said that merely being silent is not the same as invoking your Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. I think this jurisprudence is complete bananapants, but the argument is that you have to explicitly and unambiguously invoke your Fifth Amendment right for it to kick in, and being silent isn't an unambiguous invocation.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by morsch »

netule wrote: post #50
AlecSchueler wrote: post #47

A friend of mine recently had quite a bad experience asking the police for help with directions as he was traveling through the Netherlands. He was trying to figure out where he was using the map on a bus stop and approached a nearby police car to ask for assistance. They demanded his ID which he was not carrying at the time. He explained that it was in his bag at the place where he was staying and they said he neede…

It's strange, but you must be able to identify yourself if you're over the age of 14 [1] in The Netherlands. Having lived in the US for 20 years now, this also seems a bit draconian to me, but I didn't think much of it while growing up over there. [1]: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/paspoort-en-identit...

It's the same in Germany, but I still wouldn't expect the police to ask for my ID when asking for directions. The fact that you need to be able to identify yourself when asked doesn't mean that they are supposed to ask for it for every interaction.

Re: Don’t Talk to Police (2012) [video]

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Post by CrampusDestrus »

everybodyknows wrote: post #51
mplanchard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter who you are, talking to the police is a bad idea. This is a constant piece of advice from every lawyer AND POLICE OFFICER I’ve ever known. I have several cops in my family, and they all advise to never talk to the cops.

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Way to purpusefully misunderstand a very simple proposition
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