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Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by appletrotter »

efficax wrote: post #703
nindalf wrote: post #542

What makes me really sad was there was a way around this. Even if we accept the CEO’s lie that running the API is costly , Reddits monthly revenue per user is $0.12 at best. They were demanding $2.50 per user per month from third party apps. A simpler solution - “users who want to use third party apps need to pay Reddit $6/month directly by subscribing to Reddit premium”. That would have raised way more revenue! And…

> Even if we accept the CEO’s lie that running the API is costly compute isn't free man. it probably costs millions of dollars a year just to pay the cloud providers to support those apps. i doubt that's a lie...

Well simple logic would say that if they get $.12 per user/month, the costs to serve each user (in terms of compute) is probably below $.12 or else they would be losing money, no?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by nmz »

garte wrote: post #166
zik wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's amazing and wonderful. The only guys who use a vote are anarchists.

You should read up on anarchism. You're in for a huge surprise there.

I've read up on it and while the ideas are interesting, the wording is incorrect, you should not use a word that means exactly the opposite of what you intend. The moment you want to impose a system of any kind, you stopped being anti-system. But I guess that's the essence of anarchism, using confusing terminology to a degree reminiscent of doublespeak.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Dah00n »

bredren wrote: post #319
janalsncm wrote: post #31

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

> ... they don’t actually know that much about their own website. That might also explain why they never built out the tooling to begin with. Its this. It starts at the top: > Huffman, also a Reddit co-founder, said he plans to pursue changes to Reddit’s moderator removal policy to allow ordinary users to vote moderators out more easily if their decisions aren’t popular. He said the new system would be more democrati…

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by AlexandrB »

blindriver wrote: post #358

If the moderators really want to take it out on reddit, they should "quiet quit" and start letting in more spam, brigading, and basically destroy the subreddit from the inside, and recreate it on another site.

Yup, this would have been an interesting approach. Just let everything through and let god sort it out.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by lordfrito »

mlyle wrote: post #60
janalsncm wrote: post #31

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

The richest part here is where spez refers to moderators as a "landed gentry": https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blacko... “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.” What does that make spez relative to the constituents in his community?

I'm glad u/spez cares so much about "democracy". For a second there I thought he was trying to extract profit off the backs of the mods who built the communities for him.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by hombre_fatal »

Larrikin wrote: post #225
unclekev wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> put it to a public vote Those votes were brigaded by people pushing the blackout, they are not representative of the overall community. The average user of Reddit completely ignored/scrolled past those polls because "whats this doing in the NBA sub" I find it hard to have any faith in those polls considering one of the subs that I mod that has ~3500 members got just over 4800 votes on the poll. The other sub I mod…

Is this more rigged election without evidence talk? I browse Reddit maybe 20 minutes a week, on the weeks that I think to use it. I'm subscribed to maybe a dozen subs. I voted in favor of the strike in the one sub that was kind of late to asking about the protest and I noticed in time. I understand the value of the site even if I don't use it that often. It seems to be on the road to death and was hoping that it coul…

If you're just someone who browses 20min/week, I'm not sure you represent the average user in any of your subreddits either much less one that should be weighing in on whether other people get to use the subreddit. ;)

"I barely visit Reddit so I'm completely cool with them staying offline" is kind of a given.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Dah00n »

dimmke wrote: post #676
nindalf wrote: post #542

What makes me really sad was there was a way around this. Even if we accept the CEO’s lie that running the API is costly , Reddits monthly revenue per user is $0.12 at best. They were demanding $2.50 per user per month from third party apps. A simpler solution - “users who want to use third party apps need to pay Reddit $6/month directly by subscribing to Reddit premium”. That would have raised way more revenue! And…

You aren’t even mentioning the NSFW poison pill they added. Even if the pricing had been workable, this was never designed to do anything but kill external API access. I definitely would have paid $6 a month to keep using Apollo.

>NSFW poison pill

Could you explain what you mean by this?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by nshunter »

hughesjj wrote: post #142
Loveaway wrote: post #128

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

its the death of reddit, just like digg before it. And google circles or whatever it was called its been so long. and myspace and friendster and orkut and aol and msn and Usenet and Dubsmash and vine and literally more sites than Wikipedia fits on one page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_social_netw...

I was thinking about the connection between the death of digg and now the death of reddit. It's similar that they destroyed engagement by not responding to feedback. Social communities can be forgiving for missteps with acknowledgement and accountability, but Reddit seems to have just shifted its focus from being a community space into a data product.

Had an account for 14 years that I plan on 'deleting', whatever that means with the fast and loose intentions around customer data that reddit seems to have now.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by alsetmusic »

unclekev wrote: post #135
101011 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's true. r/nba, a top 10 active subreddit at the time of going private, put it to a public vote where the overwhelming majority of the community voted to suspend indefinitely. This was during the NBA finals, mind you. Hard to put that sort of result on a small group of mods.

> put it to a public vote Those votes were brigaded by people pushing the blackout, they are not representative of the overall community. The average user of Reddit completely ignored/scrolled past those polls because "whats this doing in the NBA sub" I find it hard to have any faith in those polls considering one of the subs that I mod that has ~3500 members got just over 4800 votes on the poll. The other sub I mod…

> they are not representative of the overall community.

I would suggest that they are representative of the most invested users.

I don't have a Reddit account. I just scroll and pass the time. But contributors have different needs / concerns than I. (I'm in favor of u/spez being replaced, however. What a dick.)

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