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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by yanderekko »

olalonde wrote: post #302
photonerd wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…

I'd argue that Reddit is even more ideologically biased, especially on the largest subs. Personally, I quite enjoy both sites although they do have different types of content.

A lot of people on the left basically can't imagine a social media platform being good unless it heavily restricts right-wing speech/expression.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by yanderekko »

Applejinx wrote: post #659
catiopatio wrote: post #284

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Twitter seems perfectly healthy. I came back after years away. It sounds like you’d just grown used to the previous manufactured consensus.

I direct you to Twitter's valuation. So, I take it you're a communist and don't approve of capitalism or a marketplace of ideas showing its preferences by financial support or lack thereof? In fairness, both the MAGAs and the tankies are pretty happy, but then there's precious little difference (or none).

>I direct you to Twitter's valuation.

That's an imperfect correlate of user experience. A lot of sites have banned NSFW content for the sake of their valuations in ways that have obviously agitated their userbase.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by dtx1 »

My personal guess whats going on: Spez got a fixed target of mobile users he needs to reach to cash out and killing 3rd party apps to force users to migrate might just get him there. This is not substantiated in any way but is my guess why this is happening.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by fsdjkflsjfsoij »

markmark wrote: post #490
101011 wrote: post #121

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I don't think that's true. r/nba, a top 10 active subreddit at the time of going private, put it to a public vote where the overwhelming majority of the community voted to suspend indefinitely. This was during the NBA finals, mind you. Hard to put that sort of result on a small group of mods.

8000 votes out of 7.5 million members. I'm on r/nba every day and didn't see the poll. People will say statistically 8000 votes is sufficient for an accurate sample, but only if the voting isn't brigaded. All comments on other basketball subs at the moment are overwhelmingly in favour of re-opening the sub.

r/nba and r/hockey are particularly interesting examples because the threads before the shutdown were overwhelmingly in favor of keeping the subs open and all the upvoted posts were openly trashing the mods over their decision. The poll was also posted in the ModCoord discord servers so was almost certainly not representative of the average r/nba or r/hockey user.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Jochim »

wombat-man wrote: post #668
nindalf wrote: post #542

What makes me really sad was there was a way around this. Even if we accept the CEO’s lie that running the API is costly , Reddits monthly revenue per user is $0.12 at best. They were demanding $2.50 per user per month from third party apps. A simpler solution - “users who want to use third party apps need to pay Reddit $6/month directly by subscribing to Reddit premium”. That would have raised way more revenue! And…

I don't really work in enterprise sales, but I always thought the idea was to lure em in with low prices. Going from free to $2.50 a user?? I also don't totally get why "by user" is how they wanted to charge. Wouldn't charging by request make more sense?

They were charging by request. IIRC the $2.50 figure was arrived at by taking the total number of requests and dividing it by the total number of users.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Dah00n »

mlyle wrote: post #60
janalsncm wrote: post #31

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

The richest part here is where spez refers to moderators as a "landed gentry": https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blacko... “And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.” What does that make spez relative to the constituents in his community?

There's a first time for everything. I agree with spez. That is a very on point description of Mods, and it needs to be fixed. Just because you came first to /r/news doesn't mean you should rule like a king on Reddit. It is too open for abuse and politics.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by Dah00n »

LunaSea wrote: post #459
garte wrote: post #166

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You should read up on anarchism. You're in for a huge surprise there.

Not really. It's usually twenty somethings that somehow think the world wouldn't devolve into chaos if there wasn't a structure to organise society and secure it.

That's as close to a correct description of anarchy as using North Korea to describe Communism. Or a republic for that matter.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by mrguyorama »

oh_sigh wrote: post #704
JohnBooty wrote: post #226

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The analogy for landed gentry is accurate. Land is finite and subreddits are not. You can fork off and make your own subreddit whenever you like If subreddit mods are landed gentry, then so are open source maintainers.

Subreddits may be nearly infinite, but good, descriptive subreddit names are not. r/videos is going to get more natural traffic than r/ReallyCoolNewVideos, which is going to get more natural traffic than r/asdlkajflaksjf.

This is the same website where the "marijuana enthusiast" sub is for people who like trees, right?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by wvenable »

Klonoar wrote: post #241
wvenable wrote: post #94

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> does it bother anyone else that the stewards of some of these communities are effectively 100% anonymous? No. Reddit isn't Facebook. The whole place is anonymous. Do you really think mods of large subreddits wouldn't get swatted, doxxed, harassed, etc?

>Do you really think mods of large subreddits wouldn't get swatted, doxxed, harassed, etc? Did you... read my comment? I'm clearly aware that's a risk. It doesn't stop the question of "should these high-and-wide distribution channels be allowed to be run and controlled by people we know nothing about?".

How does knowing someone is "John Smith" rather than "spezzy" change anything?
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