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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by JohnBooty »

Klonoar wrote: post #62

One somewhat-related bit on the topic of moderators: does it bother anyone else that the stewards of some of these communities are effectively 100% anonymous? Are we actually okay with these spaces that shape significant discussion/sentiment being guided by people who lack accountability? I want to be clear that I'm not saying we should be doxxing mods or anything, but if there is a significant changeover of moderato…

    does it bother anyone else that the stewards of some 
    of these communities are effectively 100% anonymous
Reddit communities fork and spawn offshoots regularly. So for those who "get" how Reddit works it's not an issue.

However, yeah, considering the clout carried by big Reddit communities... it's a concern. I certainly don't think the answer is de-anonymizing those mods, though.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by ummonk »

Simulacra wrote: post #218
spazx wrote: post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

I think Reddit is financially unstable and they are doing this to try to become like Facebook, etc. In other words, financially stable. It's a company, if people stop buying the product it will fold like any other company. Time will tell.

When you’re a company relying on outsourcing moderation work to an army of unpaid moderators, it’s probably not a good idea to drive away said moderators. Especially when your customers (advertisers) really don’t like sites that allow bad content to slip through their moderation too much.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by tayo42 »

janalsncm wrote: post #31

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

Mod tools isn't the only reason, rif is so much more usable then the official reddit stuff. Like imagine if this site suddenly had a format like Instagram.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by catiopatio »

photonerd wrote: post #244
olalonde wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook and Twitter are not bot ridden ghost towns... but anyways, I'll make the opposite prediction: Reddit is going to turn out just fine and this episode will quickly become a memory from the past.

Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…

Twitter seems perfectly healthy. I came back after years away.

It sounds like you’d just grown used to the previous manufactured consensus.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by tguvot »

x86x87 wrote: post #59
phs318u wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly. There have been a few tech waves where nerd behaviour was the leading indicator by a few years. Search engine move from AltaVista to Google (yes, I'm old). Laptop move to Macbook Pro's. Ignore the nerds at your peril.

lol. you're not that old. remember the days when Intel was kicking AMD's ass and AMD was mostly building a worse Intel clone? Raise your hand if any of the following say anything to you: K5, K6, Duron. If you raised your hand and can go back even further in time tell me at what frequency did a Z80 run. hahahahaah

i still have k6-233 with shuttle hot-603 motherboard.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by stevenwliao »

unclekev wrote: post #108
aeorgnoieang wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm kinda curious why none of the third party app developers considered selling Reddit requests as in-app purchases – just charge the rate Reddit charges.

Some of them are trying to figure something out. https://www.reddit.com/r/RelayForReddit/comments/147152b/upd... > There's no possibility to continue the free version of Relay; a monthly subscription price of $3 (or less) might be achievable. And of that $3 the Developer says in that thread: > Yes there should be a good amount in there for myself. If 3rd party apps are so beloved, then $3/month to support a developer…

It's $3 today. What happens when Reddit triples the price with 30 day notice?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by JohnBooty »

Accujack wrote: post #125
Klonoar wrote: post #62

One somewhat-related bit on the topic of moderators: does it bother anyone else that the stewards of some of these communities are effectively 100% anonymous? Are we actually okay with these spaces that shape significant discussion/sentiment being guided by people who lack accountability? I want to be clear that I'm not saying we should be doxxing mods or anything, but if there is a significant changeover of moderato…

>Are we actually okay with these spaces that shape significant discussion/sentiment being guided by people who lack accountability? No, but there's no way to change this situation because Reddit won't create a situation where they have oversight capabilities for mods... that creates too much liability for them. In addition to getting value for the free labor of mods, Reddit also gets a legal shield.

    Reddit won't create a situation where they have 
    oversight capabilities for mods... that creates 
    too much liability for them
It's definitely interesting to watch how they walk that tightrope. Because they certainly do remove mods that are inactive or problematic, like how they are threatening to remove mods that have taken their subreddits dark.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by phs318u »

x86x87 wrote: post #59
phs318u wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly. There have been a few tech waves where nerd behaviour was the leading indicator by a few years. Search engine move from AltaVista to Google (yes, I'm old). Laptop move to Macbook Pro's. Ignore the nerds at your peril.

lol. you're not that old. remember the days when Intel was kicking AMD's ass and AMD was mostly building a worse Intel clone? Raise your hand if any of the following say anything to you: K5, K6, Duron. If you raised your hand and can go back even further in time tell me at what frequency did a Z80 run. hahahahaah

Haha. I'm so old that the first computer I was introduced to in my first job (it may have been a Data General mainframe; my memory is fuzzy) had a solid copper "ribbon" running along the bottom inside the cabinet, and I was told "Don't drop a screwdriver on that or you'll short out the whole floor". The inside of the cabinet door had what looked like black "flash marks" on it. I also had to recover a program from a paper tape drive in that first year.

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Post by brabel »

Ygg2 wrote: post #151
Loveaway wrote: post #128

This is so sad honestly. Like wtf is going on, no apology, no good will, doubling down on the complete moral suicide of Reddit. To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this? Social media zombie sheeple is all that's going to be left. Congrats on your dumb little site, from the front-page of the In…

Killing geese that lay Golden Eggs is old and enduring Silicon valley tradition.

Maybe, but in this case there was no golden eggs, Reddit had users but no way of making any money out of it other than by selling the data (which is exactly what they seem to be doing now).

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by ummonk »

sofixa wrote: post #256
hn_thrwn wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It’s ironic that you mention porn given the extent to which Reddit has so many subreddits devoted to porn topics that would be considered horrible racism and/or sexism if they weren’t hiding under the banner of porn.
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