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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by mbg721 »

faeriechangling wrote: post #451
0xParlay wrote: post #299

Reddit clearly doesn't understand the product. When users join a sub it's because they like the content and tacitly approve of the moderation. All but new users are aware that subs are governed by mods. Installing a corporate-approved mod panel because a community isn't acting in Reddit Inc's financial best interest is to light the whole product on fire. What's the point of starting a new sub if it'll be repurposed a…

> When users join a sub it's because they like the content and tacitly approve of the moderation. People don’t choose subreddits because of mods, they only leave subreddits because of mods. One of Reddit’s larger problem’s really is that some subreddits have better names than others, and the moderators have to be extremely bad for users to get mad enough to migrate to a new community with new mods and a worse name. O…

Put another way, who knows who the mods are? People who have a problem to deal with.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by imchillyb »

Every post / discussion about Reddit and these new changes play right into the hands of Reddit's upcoming IPO.

No matter the outcome spez (the ceo) can simply point to how 'important' reddit is for the internet. How much people 'rely upon it' for their day/day information.

All of this mess simply raises the amount Reddit can raise in its IPO.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by gumby »

There's a recurring theme that appears on HN: company is founded, grows for a while, then a new CEO comes up and screws things up. That even happened to Reddit already!

But what fascinates me is that I believe it's one of the founders killing the goose this time! At least it's a change from what we usually see.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by wafer-bw »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #140
concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

Most subreddits doing polls have people voting to remain open, so it really isn't in the interests of the communities to keep the subs closed. The ones who don't like the changes are leaving anyway.

I'm sorry but if everyone who wants them closed is avoiding reddit the polls will skew in favour of those that want them open.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by tensor »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #443
tensor wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re asserting users are selfish. I don’t know what you think you are saying, but in a business the customers can demand whatever they want and leave if they are not happy. That does not make them selfish. That’s business.

> You’re asserting users are selfish. You have twice now fabricated an argument that I am not making. I'm not fazed by this, but I think you should be aware that this is a thing you're doing. I've multiple times said that neither party has any obligation to the other. The people who do assert obligations for others after the fact for self-perpetuated labor are selfish.

> but it's an extreme form of selfishness to demand that someone else sacrifice earnings to provide perpetual unfettered platform access to things that were put on the platform of posters' own accord without coercion.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by gonehome »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #236
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

This is why I think federated alternatives like Lemmy are important and I would like to see communities migrate there instead of some other corporate walled garden. Otherwise we'll just be having the exact same discussion about some other website in five years. It pains me to see even a lot of FOSS-focused communities move their discussions to Discord, for example. Most of the criticisms of the federated platforms ce…

I don't think federated systems without something like urbit underneath will work outside of a hyper technical niche. You end up back at a handful of even crappier centralized servers with a worse experience and even more capricious mods - a worst of both worlds.

The reason centralized ad-based companies are so successful is the centralization solves serious UX problems that are unsolvable by systems that are not centralized. You need a unified platform where users share an underlying system that stuff can be built on top of that they can actually own, where the details of the system are hidden and it's possible to actually get UX/discovery/auth that is just as good as centralized systems. It has to solve for the problems that lead to centralization. [0]

This stuff will only work when to an average user they have no idea they're even on a system that isn't centralized, just looks like a normal app. You can't get there without solving bigger issues upstream from the app itself. [1]

[0]: https://zalberico.com/essay/2022/09/28/tlon-urbit-computing-...

[1]: https://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-progr...

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by rerdavies »

gretch wrote: post #366
rtpg wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I get that for absent-minded browsing but even just...having a hobby and talking about it with people feels pretty much like Normal Person Behavior(TM) and Reddit's subreddits worked well for that in the same way that forums in the past did. Not the end of the world but as a kid who only could find other people to talk about certain hobbies with online up until college sounds like a lot of pepole will be more…

We’ve only had this communication capability for the last .01% of human existence. Even 150 years ago, if you wanted to communicate with anyone outside your town, you had to pay a horse based courier what was most likely a very expensive fee. Not to mention the millions of years before that. Did all these previous generations find less satisfaction in life? Well who knows but I argue not. We don’t have to structure o…

> Did all these previous generations find less satisfaction in life?

Heck yes. I lived half my life in a non-Internet era. And I can say with absolute certainty, that it was horrible. Finding community, especially for specialized interests, was virtually impossible. Finding specialized information -- completely impossible, unless you had access to a University library. There weren't even efficient ways to find out what specialized information you could have but don't.

Encyclopedia Britannica is not remotely a substitute for Wikipedia. And the same holds for pretty much every other form of information, every other form of communication, and every other form of community except family.

If you want to go back 100 years... all my ancestors worked 18 hours a day in the mines, starting at the age of 6, and died young from Black Lung Disease. Which is considerably less satisfying.

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Post by voisin »

aceazzameen wrote: post #342
Kilgore54 wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah absolutely The problem here is the profit motive. What we need are sustainable communities that are not controlled by sectors of private capital and they treat their users like products or widgets. I know some people are in America, especially above a certain age, refuse to think this way. Decades of Chicago school neoliberal propaganda has convinced them that anything good has to be driven by a profit motive. I…

It's more than a profit motive. Profits can be fine. The bigger issue is the need to show unlimited growth on the books. That whole system drives the gradual enshittification of everything.

Everything, including our climate and other basic needs as humans. Wild that it hasn’t been overthrown yet.
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