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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by yanderekko »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #355
satvikpendem wrote: post #71

> If a moderator team unanimously decides to stop moderating, we will invite new, active moderators to keep these spaces open and accessible to users. If there is no consensus, but at least one mod wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. Moderators exist to moderate a community, not to shut it down wholesale. Reddit's respon…

> Reddit's response is the only reasonable one they could have made. You're saying Reddit was backed into a corner and had no other option but to knowingly defame the author of Apollo with false public accusations? And that this was a reasonable action?

Nope, that was a bad action. On the other hand, booting the mods that are holding the subs hostage is a good action.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by gonehome »

Yeah the obvious move from them imo.

Probably best for reddit just entirely kill 3rd party API access and restrict the power of mods. Arguably they should have done that anyway like Twitter did rather than just set prices high to sort of get to that outcome anyway.

You can't change the behavior without fixing the incentives, you can't fix ad-model incentives by being a user within an ad company, the users should just accept that when operating in that space and try to operate in spaces where they can actual own the platform. If you build a company on some other company's owned API you're on borrowed time the moment keeping you around no longer benefits that company.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by BugsJustFindMe »

tensor wrote: post #416
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making up a position that I haven't taken. Maybe you did it on purpose, maybe on accident. Either way, you're arguing against something different than what I said. Nobody is obligated on either side. It's selfish to assert obligation.

You’re asserting users are selfish. I don’t know what you think you are saying, but in a business the customers can demand whatever they want and leave if they are not happy. That does not make them selfish. That’s business.

> You’re asserting users are selfish.

You have twice now fabricated an argument that I am not making. I'm not fazed by this, but I think you should be aware that this is a thing you're doing.

I've multiple times said that neither party has any obligation to the other. The people who do assert obligations for others after the fact for self-perpetuated labor are selfish.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by yanderekko »

michaelmrose wrote: post #365
dannyphantom wrote: post #190

I suppose this will be a litmus test on how valuable long-established moderators are to the platform. At the end of the day, they are volunteers who are now boarding themselves behind the property of their digital landlord so the risk of eviction isn't really all that surprising. I've seen endless complaints from users who feel personally offended by being muted/banned from a community and a common response to their…

The community is the only worthwhile thing about reddit. Their IP is simply awful garbage that could be profitably replaced with their own old open source code and their leadership is full of the kind of folks who think they can hire a sex offender then silence community outrage. The last thing they own is hardware not valuable enough to pay severance if a substantial portion of the community leaves. Worse the folks…

The community is exactly why toxic mods should be removed.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by pier25 »

ulrashida wrote: post #189
unclekev wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9 out of 10 days most Reddit mods are considered the scum of the earth, it's a literal meme at this point how bad a lot of them are. They are the heroes this week because it fits their narrative. Censorship, power-tripping, running subs with a iron fist, etc Nobody knows or cares who they are. As much as they'd like to think they are, the mods are not the community. The community is the people. The people are not the…

Sounds like you may need to find some different subs to participate in. Majority of experiences with mods in mine have been between very okay and positive.

Same. I've been using Reddit daily for over 10 years now. I only remember one occasion I had trouble with some mods.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by Seattle3503 »

tinus_hn wrote: post #167
mtc010170 wrote: post #84

Watch out folks - critical discussions about Reddit seem to be getting flagged as flame bait. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36347400 Idk why. We should be able to have a civilized, intellectually curious discussion about this. The future of Reddit (and its implications for the future of the Internet) is pretty on-topic to me for HN. @dang can we get a stance on this?

It’s quite possible that people are just flagging these stories because it’s not interesting enough to facilitate 20 discussions without it turning into threads with 500 comments rehashing the same arguments. Reddit might be a big deal to you but many people over here just don’t care and they don’t want to see topic after topic about a site they don’t care about. And it’s going to have the same impact on the ‘future…

Reddit is a big deal to me, I moderate multiple subreddits with 6 figure subscriber counts, from a third party app. With that said, the discussion on HN is basically played out. There isn't a lot new to say.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by treyd »

chimeracoder wrote: post #59
jpcfl wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of the Great Digg Migration. If there was ever a time to promote Mastadon, it's now.

> If there was ever a time to promote Mastadon, it's now. Neither Mastodon nor ActivityPup are a real replacement for the use case of Reddit. They serve very different purposes.

Why do you think ActivityPub can't be used to implement a reddit clone? There's already 2 projects doing it reasonably successfully.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by jrhoffa »

bnralt wrote: post #372
devmor wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these closed subreddits polled their userbase and only participated in the blackout if users heavily favored doing so. If by "majority of users" you mean users that do not contribute any content and only view the site, sure, you may be right. But a content aggregator that is devoid of content doesn't exactly make a great website.

> Most of these closed subreddits polled their userbase and only participated in the blackout if users heavily favored doing so. The vast minority polled the users, from what I can see. None of the subs I visited that went dark had a poll. I just decided to check some others - /r/funny and /r/gaming because they're listed as some of the biggest subs that went private, /r/askhistorians because people often use it as "…

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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by toomuchtodo »

JoyfulTurkey wrote: post #425
SethKinast wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Christian (legally) recorded all calls with Reddit and published them.

Ah nice, I will follow up on that. Thanks for the info!

https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w...

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by jrhoffa »

bnralt wrote: post #349
paulddraper wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't seem dishonest to me. Reddit cares more about having an open subreddit then the mods do. This was the obvious conclusion

Right. If the users of the sub want to continue the boycott, they certainly can. If the removed mods are beloved by the community, it's easy for them to open a new subreddit. But I think most people realize that most of the users, who actually create the content, don't want the boycott to continue, and don't have any particular love for the current mods.

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