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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by elektor »

mandmandam wrote: post #101
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Yes! And they're so incredibly cheap to run, in the scheme of things. They're TEXT and LINKS ffs. Even Snapchat, which deals in video, costs about $2.50 per user per year to run. Honestly, we're some set of dopes to let people like Zuck and Huffman build yachts and apocalypse bunkers, with bloody advertising money, all for the genius idea of sharing text and links on the internet.

Do you have a source for that $2.5 figure?

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by jarfil »

i_like_apis wrote: post #25
gareth_untether wrote: post #7

Another day and another nail in another awesome online community that has terrible leadership. Where will the communities move to? What new areas of the Internet will be created?

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Reddit is failing right now.

Popular communities already had a lot of people who wouldn't engage in positive discourse, only offset by those massively downvoting and reporting the "noise" comments.

Now that they're the only ones left, all discourse is disappearing, getting replaced by cheap quips and memes.

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Post by stalfosknight »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Perhaps this is a more a reflection of our current state of development as a species than a mistake we consciously chose to make. As gross as Reddit's behavior has been, it doesn't change the reality that nothing at all in this scarcity-based economy is free.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by moskie »

hn_version_0023 wrote: post #116
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

It’s almost enough to make one reconsider the use of social media entirely. My hope is that one day the kids will just stop using it and it dies it’s natural death.

I've wondered for a long time if social media is just a fad.

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Post by jjulius »

lazystar wrote: post #114
concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

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Many of the proposed changes directly impact moderators and aren't something that average users will experience immediately/directly, so of course they care more than the average, non-mod user.

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Post by Yujf »

rbera wrote: post #58
Yujf wrote: post #46

I still won't entirely understand where Appolo's 20Million figure comes from. As far as I understand all the outrage is because of what the Appolo dev published, but reddit seems to claim that even for third party apps they get 100 queries per minute per user which seems like it would be enough? Whay is Appolo doing that this is not enough or what am i misunderstanding about 100 queries per Oauth client?

It’s not 100 queries per user, it’s per client id where the client id refers to the app as a whole. Effectively they changed this from the old limits where it was per user. See https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/_/jnk7rfg/?...

Ah I see. Thanks for the link that clears everything up.

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Post by satvikpendem »

Panzer04 wrote: post #102
satvikpendem wrote: post #71

> If a moderator team unanimously decides to stop moderating, we will invite new, active moderators to keep these spaces open and accessible to users. If there is no consensus, but at least one mod wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. Moderators exist to moderate a community, not to shut it down wholesale. Reddit's respon…

Worth noting many subs actively voted for the shutdown. It's very much a case-by-case basis. Also, shitting on your userbase only works for so long. You keep consuming people's trust and you eventually reach a tipping point where people are actively looking to move to alternatives. It would not surprise me if there is a sudden exodus if a suitable alternative to reddit became clear. I don't understand why reddit has…

Just as in real life, voting may not be representative of the whole story. Selection bias can occur where people who care very much about a topic would vote for it while most casual users won't even care enough to vote. The polls I've seen on Reddit are a vast minority of overall votes compared to the subreddit size in subscribers, keeping in mind that many lurkers also don't even directly subscribe to a sub but may simply follow them on /r/all, like /r/pics or /r/politics for example. I know I don't follow them but I see them on /r/all and will sometimes click into the comments.

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Post by Enginerrrd »

verhaust wrote: post #28
donutshop wrote: post #3

What's the end game here for reddit? There's no way this would end well.

My guess has been that Huffman is just following Musk. My further guess is that he has actually either seeked or been given unsolicited advice from Musk about standing firm. Despite all the whining and complaints about Musk's handling of Twitter, the masses still use it. I see Twitter links on most sites I go to. Huffman thinks reddit is too big for a loud minority to shout down and he is probably correct. Reddit wil…

I find comparing the two to be a deep insult to Musk.

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Post by rlex »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #17
clnq wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? How can this end poorly? Most people browsing Reddit are addicted with no viable substitutes. Breaking their addiction through continued blackouts would end badly. Replacing some mods no user cares about will hardly have an impact. Lets be realistic.

Replacing these volunteer moderators with paid moderators is obviously not in the cards, which can only mean Reddit wants to replace these volunteer moderators with other volunteer moderators. Assuming anyone volunteers in the first place. Given that moderation is a thankless (and, in this case, unpaid) job, do you really think that many people with good intentions are stepping forward to take on that responsibility?…

>Given that moderation is a thankless (and, in this case, unpaid) job

And a shit one, too. Years ago when i was moderating "not too big, not too small" subreddit about certain game, i was routinely receiving death threats and stuff like that for deleted comments, bans and etc.

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