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Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by frisbeemaniac95 »

Yujf wrote: post #46

I still won't entirely understand where Appolo's 20Million figure comes from. As far as I understand all the outrage is because of what the Appolo dev published, but reddit seems to claim that even for third party apps they get 100 queries per minute per user which seems like it would be enough? Whay is Appolo doing that this is not enough or what am i misunderstanding about 100 queries per Oauth client?

The cost is $0.24 per 1000 api calls. At Apollo's scale this works out to $20 mil per year.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w...

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by vxNsr »

mandmandam wrote: post #101
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Yes! And they're so incredibly cheap to run, in the scheme of things. They're TEXT and LINKS ffs. Even Snapchat, which deals in video, costs about $2.50 per user per year to run. Honestly, we're some set of dopes to let people like Zuck and Huffman build yachts and apocalypse bunkers, with bloody advertising money, all for the genius idea of sharing text and links on the internet.

At scale that’s relatively expensive though, $2.5x1billion is still 2.5 billion dollars. That money needs to come from somewhere…

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by alexander-wilms »

i_like_apis wrote: post #25
gareth_untether wrote: post #7

Another day and another nail in another awesome online community that has terrible leadership. Where will the communities move to? What new areas of the Internet will be created?

[flagged]

You moron sound like a junkie.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by lazystar »

concinds wrote: post #74

The dishonesty continues. > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community They're still interested. They're just protesting your policies. > [if] at least one mod [...] wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. This one takes the cake. They're dangling a carrot: hey, any low-ranked mod interested in taking over…

[flagged]

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by satvikpendem »

ddtaylor wrote: post #98
satvikpendem wrote: post #71

> If a moderator team unanimously decides to stop moderating, we will invite new, active moderators to keep these spaces open and accessible to users. If there is no consensus, but at least one mod wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team. Moderators exist to moderate a community, not to shut it down wholesale. Reddit's respon…

Mods have always been told that subreddits are their spaces to operate and that as long as they're not breaking any of the site-wide rules, they are free to do whatever they wish. This is a violation of that trust.

How can anyone sincerely believe that being a user, even a mod, on another platform by a corporate entity lets them have their own space? I mean, of course the company owns everything one does or publishes on said platform. There is no trust because the premise is faulty in the first place. The fact that people actually believed that is not really the problem of the platform, there is always inherent platform risk.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by hn_version_0023 »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

It’s almost enough to make one reconsider the use of social media entirely.

My hope is that one day the kids will just stop using it and it dies it’s natural death.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by minhazm »

Reddit has handled this pretty terribly but I also think people are being unreasonable. This is no different than me creating a third party YouTube client, charging for it and displaying no ads. Why would YouTube allow me to do that? And why should Reddit allow third party apps to do that? Reddit screwed up in the first place allowing third party apps that they have zero control over to build a full frontend replacement.

They already have Reddit Premium, they should just say that you need Reddit Premium to use third party apps. The technical details would be pretty straight forward. If you look at the features of reddit premium the only one anyone cares about is ad-free browsing, which third party apps today get to give users for free. So reddit was having to compete with these third party apps.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by shadowgovt »

mandmandam wrote: post #101
moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

Yes! And they're so incredibly cheap to run, in the scheme of things. They're TEXT and LINKS ffs. Even Snapchat, which deals in video, costs about $2.50 per user per year to run. Honestly, we're some set of dopes to let people like Zuck and Huffman build yachts and apocalypse bunkers, with bloody advertising money, all for the genius idea of sharing text and links on the internet.

It is entirely possible, even likely I would say given how often it has happened, that lots of people think it is easier to build a forum that scales than it is.

I can't help but observe that for all of it being "just text and links," we sure do keep converging on monolithic service providers for... Some reason.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by soup10 »

moskie wrote: post #76

We (the internet community) made such a terrible mistake with social media. We formed connections and communities and friendships on sites like Facebook and Twitter and Reddit, but those companies need to make money, so those connections are only allowed to exist as long as they are part of a profitable system. How awful it is to reduce human connection to that. To think that I am only allowed to maintain certain soc…

well said, this is an ugly part of capitalism, anything that can be turned into a product, will be turned into a product. And greed and the profit motive and the hunger for growth will usually lead to some corporatized version becoming the dominant product in the space while more idealistic indie operations operate smaller in the fringes if at all.

Re: Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts

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Post by xattt »

jjulius wrote: post #106
paulddraper wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't seem dishonest to me. Reddit cares more about having an open subreddit then the mods do. This was the obvious conclusion

GP already highlighted the dishonesty, it's here: > if they are no longer interested in moderating that community The mods, as GP stated, are interested in moderating that community, they just disagree with Reddit's changes. They wouldn't be taking the path of shuttering their subs in protest if they didn't give a damn. That is absolutely dishonesty on the part of Reddit.

The gaslighting of moderators’ intentions also mirrors the experience of Christian Zelig who was accused of holding the platform hostage.
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