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It is peculiar how all of these recent "conspiracy theories" as named by corporate media eventually turn out to be true.
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If SARS-CoV-2 was all over CES 2020 on Jan 7-10 then people would have already been unmistakably dying. Once you've infected around 1,000 people in a geographic location it has already spilled over into an elder care facility and rips through there and kills about a third of them. The first such incident in the US wasn't until a patient got sick on Feb 19th in Kirkland, WA. The fact that the virus doubled every 3 day…
> then people would have already been unmistakably dying. Yeah, but the actual number of COVID dead has been a widely disputed topic and it's well established that excess deaths significantly increased during the pandemic, which indicates that a lot more people died overall that didn't go down as formal COVID cases[0]. It's very likely that early COVID deaths were not properly counted because we weren't in formal pan…
When it hits an elder care facility (particularly pre-pandemic where they're not taking any precautions) something like 1/3 of the residents die. They are more or less the canary in the coal mine. And it is not typical to have a respiratory virus rip through one of those facilities and kill so many people.
And doctors were on the alert in Jan and would have noticed a cluster of cases.
(And the lack of pandemic protocols means that the death toll would have been high -- and just like what actually happened with the Kirkland facility they would have been able to get tests -- and with a sudden high mortality outbreak like that they would have gotten the CDCs attention)
> Also anecdotally, I knew people in the Midwest that contracted severe flu in December 2019 and January 2020 who later tested positive once the ability to test became available.
They probably caught asymptomatic or lightly symptomatic COVID.
And/or if you're talking antibody tests, the early ones had poor specificity and would give false positives.
Anecdotally there was the bodybuilder who thought he caught COVID early, tested positive on an early antibody test and later got decimated by the real virus. Decent chance he had a false positive.
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I don't know what that's supposed to mean. No, sorry not sorry, I don't really put much stock in the analysis of people that immediately link this into their unsubstantiated handwavey global conspiracies. I've seen articles, research, professionals talking about the evidence. Which aren't headnods and whistles. And I read it. And that's why I don't have any strong opinion, contrary to whatever I think is being implie…
> I haven't seen a single discussion of this that doesn't immediately dove-tail into various other conspiracies or whistles. > None ever will from your perspective if you're citing "head nods" and dog whistles. It means that if you consider mentioning the lab leak theory an automatic dogwhistle for bioweapon then of course every single discussion about these lab leak immediately dove-tails into various other conspira…
So we're very clearly, I absolutely 0% think that talking about a lab leak means the speaker thinks that it was an intentional bioweapon leak or something. At all. Like, that's just straight up strawmanning in my head, but you kinda just projected that on me...
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.... written by a geoscientist. There are limits on the ability to transfer knowledge between domains (although this doesn't mean the geoscientist is necessarily wrong, and often even amateurs can find big problems with papers that got through peer review).
The geoscientist in question is actually arguing that some of the flaws in the paper are due to the authors' lack of expertise in geospatial analysis.[1] [1] https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3Adanwalker9999)%20expert...
We are dealing with situations where smart people are using social media to promote propaganda in response to academic publications. Twitter as a medium is not really the best place to carry out these sorts of discussions- for exmaple, when I read walker's tweets, they jump all over the place and make many different arguments which are incomplete. If he really has a problem he should take his case to retraction watch and get the paper retracted if it contains invalidating errors.
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The President of the United States was claiming that COVID was engineered in China as early as May 2020. I don't know how someone can claim they weren't allowed to talk about it.
And people called him racist for it. And anyone else who speculated that the obvious, simplest answer might be true was likewise considered racist.
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Guangdong was SARS-CoV-1. We've had two spillovers now of sarbecoviruses and the first one hit a completely unrelated city. The other one happened in Wuhan, which is the biggest city in central China and its "catchement area" is probably fairly wide around it. It does appear that they spillover in wet markets in big cities. The level of coincidence here may look like rolling a 1d20 two times and the second time getti…
> The level of coincidence here may look like rolling a 1d20 two times and the second time getting a natural 1. Or a more related and much bigger coincidence: a man was killed by a nerve agent in what appeared to be a targeted attack on the home of a Russian defector approximately 10 miles from the UK's main lab studying nerve agents. Which is a similar distance between the Wuhan lab and wet market, though the UK ver…
That's a good one, I'm going to have to try to remember that.
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How and why would they have that kind of data available if the virus only existed in the lab? At most they could have had computer simulations, but no real data. The only information they would have had is the DNA sequence, but that was rapidly sequenced anyway, and design of the original vaccines followed in short order. What took time was testing and manufacturing the vaccines, but none of this would have been acce…
> How and why would they have that kind of data available if the virus only existed in the lab? At most they could have had computer simulations, but no real data. I'm not a virologist, but this doesn't make sense to me. If we work under the assumption that this was a lab-made virus that leaked, then they plainly must have actually created it. What's the point of having a real virus if you aren't using it to generate…
I am a virologist. It also doesn't make sense to me.
There's so much data that would have been helpful. If only the DNA sequence mattered, we wouldn't have the field of virology.
Data such as rate of evolution would have been hugely important in stategizing the vaccine and could have saved thousands of lives. Data on transmission, even in animal models could also have saved lives. Structural information may have been available. Antibodies and antibody binding information may have already been available which would help in identifying conserved structural motifs for vaccine development.
We don't know how long they had it, what data they had available (if it's a chimera, data from multiple viruses might have been relevant), but saying nothing would have changed is insane. That's like saying there was no point to the SARS research over the last 3 years, because we already had the sequence after a couple days.
They worked with it because they had a question they were trying to answer. That question probably had relevance to human health, and they probably had data from trying to answer that question.
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I’m not here to feed you sources or convince you. If you’ve ignored the twitter files for months no link from me is going to change your mind. Have a nice day.
I've read the Twitter files. I do not believe the content supports your claims. The fact that you refuse to link to any specific evidence makes it seem like you know this and aren't acting in good faith.
I don't trust this article at all . > Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus. > It is unclear who in the U.S. government had access to the intelligence about the sick WIV workers, how long they had it, and why it was not shared with the pub…
You won't have to wait long for confirmation. The Director of National Intelligence will be required by law to declassify information about the infected researchers on June 18th, including their names, symptoms, date of onset and role at WIV.[1] [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/619...