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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by jjulius »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #322
wavefunction wrote: post #305

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My Aunt was killed by the flu. She had a pre-existing unknown heart-condition and despite her healthy lifestyle the flu weakened her heart enough that she needed a heart-transplant in her early 20s. She died at age 27. I tell this story whenever it is possible, to educate people about what the flu is capable of doing, whenever someone says the flu is "no big deal." Statistically, perhaps not. Unless you're the statis…

Not really relevant here though.

They are replying directly to a tangential comment that someone else made. It might not be relevant to this overall thread, but it's relevant to this particular comment chain.

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Post by artificial »

mock-possum wrote: post #287
wsatb wrote: post #274

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All you need to do is take a quick look at one of the author's other stories[1] and your skepticism will grow further. [1] https://substack.com/@shellenberger

> Why Politicians Are Trying To Take Your Children > California legislation would punish parents who don't affirm gender dysphoria wow yeah that's a take

AB957 is still being amended. Prior to amendment a parent not affirming gender identity would fall under child abuse. Here's the clause:

(6)A parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity because it is in the best interest of the child to affirm their gender identity.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

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Post by Izkata »

somebody78978 wrote: post #171
this_user wrote: post #129

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How and why would they have that kind of data available if the virus only existed in the lab? At most they could have had computer simulations, but no real data. The only information they would have had is the DNA sequence, but that was rapidly sequenced anyway, and design of the original vaccines followed in short order. What took time was testing and manufacturing the vaccines, but none of this would have been acce…

I don't understand, the whole point of studying a virus in a lab is to gather data on it.

Think about how the data would be gathered: Most of what was listed requires infecting a large number of people.

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Post by rnk »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #271
ethbr0 wrote: post #261

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People need to start thinking of politically-impactful truths in terms of probability distributions and outcome possibility spaces, rather than absolutely. If it were a lab leak, there are probably a handful of eyewitnesses. Any information (not leak; was leak) would have serious ramifications to the political systems of the two largest economies in the world (the US and China). What are the chances that we'll ever h…

> Can you imagine how many scarce resources would have been mispent if SARS-CoV-2 had begun with worldwide knowledge that China was responsible? OTOH if we knew that China was responsible, won't the future be better served by putting safeguards to prevent a worse thing happening again?

I don't think that we would have done anything differently if we knew that China was responsible. It wouldn't have changed our treatments or vaccination strategies or anything. Could it have made some people who are crazy against China feel differently? Maybe. I don't think it would have made the doofuses who took ivermectin act differently though.

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Post by object-a »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #325
HWR_14 wrote: post #321

Can someone please explain to me what difference it makes. AFAIK, no one is claiming this was a bioweapon or intentional assault. So what difference could it possibly make where COVID originated from. I think the lab leak theory is wrong, but even if it was true I no idea how that should change anything.

I’m a lot more interested in how we weren’t allowed to talk about it for a couple years than whether or not it’s ultimately true.

The President of the United States was claiming that COVID was engineered in China as early as May 2020. I don't know how someone can claim they weren't allowed to talk about it.

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Post by Minor49er »

ChatGTP wrote: post #312
kneebonian wrote: post #296

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UFOs…maybe? At least some high profile government people are saying they exist.

UFOs definitely exist. Whether they are of extraterrestrial origin or not is another matter, though

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Post by ekianjo »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #265
letmevoteplease wrote: post #258

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You won't have to wait long for confirmation. The Director of National Intelligence will be required by law to declassify information about the infected researchers on June 18th, including their names, symptoms, date of onset and role at WIV.[1] [1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/619...

>You won't have to wait long for confirmation. Confirmation that they were sick. Not confirmation of what they were sick with.

Wow, that is an interesting take. Probably they were sick after eating bad texmex. Sounds like the most probable explanation.

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Post by object-a »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #49
scoofy wrote: post #18

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Also... I mean, unless I've created a false memory, I specifically remember that the discussion at the time was about a the virus literally being a bio-weapon, and not actually the entirely plausible, accidental escape of a virus. I've always had a completely open mind about it, even if experts have repeatedly suggested that it's plausible, but unlikely. Those prattling on about how "people called us crazy" that it w…

> I mean, unless I've created a false memory I'm pretty sure your memory is very faulty. Of all those saying it could be a lab leak, very few were talking it being a bio-weapon. > Those prattling on about how "people called us crazy" that it was a WIV lab leak seem to completely misremember what was actually being discussed in April-May of 2020 Not at all. You are trying to rewrite history. Here's the bill from Congr…

Until a cause is completely identified, there will always be "reason to believe". That doesn't mean that it's the most likely source or the most reasonable hypothesis.

The President was also claiming the virus came from WIV back in May 2020. It was a common theory in some media circles

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Post by rnk »

epicureanideal wrote: post #324
ethbr0 wrote: post #276

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I'm of two minds on that. On one hand: yes, more data will inform future technical approaches and procedures. On the other hand: no, people are technically ignorant, xenophobic, and more willing to scapegoat and project anger than reflect on their own behavior.

I've lived in many US states, including in the south, and I have not met very many of these ignorant, xenophopic, scapegoat-seeking people that everyone claims to be worried about. Seems like those people, if they exist in any significant numbers, are just an excuse to lie to the public "for their own good".

If you didn't meet those people, then either you're ignorant yourself -(with all due respect), or you are not looking closely.

I'm from the south. I went to high school there, I got my college degree from there. I live there from the time I was born until my mid-20s. The south is full of racist, horrible people, it was common in my youth to hear people talk badly about Jewish people, people dropped the n word. I heard people talking about non-Christians shouldn't get to vote. I heard plenty of sexist words about women for men. It just beggars belief that you would never hear this kind of speech.

I just don't commonly hear this on the west coast in the US like I did in my years in the south. And unfortunately I still hear it when I go to visit.

Not everyone is like that! But enough people are that, so that you're going to encounter it over and over again.

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Post by 542458 »

ChatGTP wrote: post #312
kneebonian wrote: post #296

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UFOs…maybe? At least some high profile government people are saying they exist.

The statement that “there are objects that appear to be flying that we sometimes fail to immediately identify” is not something that most people would allege is a conspiracy theory.

The statement that “those UFOs are populated by aliens and the government knows this!” is a conspiracy theory, and has little evidence.

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