Towards the end, the article posits that the reason men fail to attain higher levels of education is video games. I would be curious to see how the effect of video games stacks up against the effect of the significant support industry established for helping girls succeed in STEM while comparable support for boys is nonexistent.
Stuff like this is actually researched. It would be better to first look at the research before comparing anecdotal hypotheses. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-beh... > Men are more likely than women to point to factors that have more to do with personal choice. Roughly a third (34%) of men without a bachelor’s degree say a major reason they didn’t complete college is that they just didn’t wa…
Dating, education, and sex ratios
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Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios
#372Towards the end, the article posits that the reason men fail to attain higher levels of education is video games. I would be curious to see how the effect of video games stacks up against the effect of the significant support industry established for helping girls succeed in STEM while comparable support for boys is nonexistent.
I'll probably be downvoted to hell for this but here goes... The state of the current education system is outright hostility towards boys. feminists (specifically third wave) long ago, infiltrated k-12 and shove their ideology down little boys throats at every level. any overt show of masculinity is treated as toxic. I don't think a lot of this pride stuff being pushed by the mainstream media right now is about accep…
Wokeists have managed to get into powerful positions in most if not all Western institutions, so their attacks are being enabled throughout society.
That's why there's so much discussion about how to end whiteness, suppress toxic masculinity, and promote queerness. These are thinly veiled discussions about destroying the oppressor class and taking power. They were never about human rights, mutual respect, or acceptance.
Some Western communists are more direct and aware of it than others, and some actually want the system to collapse because it would create opportunity for their preferred system to emerge.
Male impotence serves its purpose of reducing resistance to the political project. Men can regain their social power by joining the revolutionaries, but at personal cost. For example, I've recently seen incels talking about transitioning as a means to access intimacy and support. I've also seen hetero white men change their entire appearance and cultural views in the last several years, in order to receive popular approval.
The men who don't do these things, either because they don't understand it or because they reject it, are being left behind. Many then join reactionary ideologies like The Red Pill (Andrew Tate-ism), Trumpland, Inceldia, or Christian nationalism. Many become akin to the hikikomori in Japan - socially isolated and withdrawn, playing videogames and watching porn all day. Others get on with their handicapped lives and try to avoid attention.
Those who do compromise are still constantly walking on egg shells. If people don't like them for some reason, their past will be dug up. If something is found, they get excommunicated.
To be clear, I have no problem with trans or queerness in people. I just recognize that it's one of the best ways for modern men to gain support and approval in a world where they're otherwise being systematically attacked. I see the appeal in picking up a pride flag in order to be embraced by the broader community. I can understand why an emotionally damaged person would go to great extremes to end the suffering, whatever the rationale.
The main points I want to get across is that this is all part of a demoralisation process, people are being victimized and coerced, and there is no intention to resolve the issue. The only allowable way out for men is to join the game, anything else is to be met with derision and hostility.
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#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to mention that emotionally intelligent is somewhat of an insulting term. Men and women deal with and express emotions in radically different ways, that doesn't make one way more mature or intelligent.
> Men and women deal with and express emotions in radically different ways With this statement, I think you are coming from a place of cultural bias. I find that men and women are more alike than "radically different" with emotions, with similar emotional needs and wants (perhaps to different degrees, but there is much variation within gender, I feel). However, in some societies, how they are allowed to recognize, va…
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#374I read a book awhile ago called Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? , which basically argues that cultures which strongly promote traditional values, having children, etc. will evolutionarily outcompete groups that don’t. It made me think that there must be a kind of cycle in human societies, where certain social values (like the ones mentioned in the article) are able to become popular for a short period of time…
> I read a book awhile ago called Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?, which basically argues that cultures which strongly promote traditional values, having children, etc. will evolutionarily out-compete groups that don’t. That's happening in Israel, as the haredi out-breed the reform Jews and the seculars.[1] Religious societies that oppress women, breed lots of kids, and are dominated by old men in black with b…
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#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "emotional control" that causes them to absolutely blow the fuck up? It's not unintelligent, primitive or underdeveloped, it's simply a meme, an idea that some people can even sincerely believe but at the end it's a pure lie.
I've known men that blow up in extremely stressful circumstances, like slapping things off the table or the stereotypical punching a hole in the wall, for me it is a sign of emotional immaturity. When you're 20 if you do it you've still got some growing up to do, when you're 30 and you do it honestly I judge you. And I know some circumstances can be extremely taxing emotionally, and in very extreme circumstances I ca…
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#376This is a known issue but the down stream effect won’t be felt for a while. Let’s be clear we’re talking about general behavioral trend, not trying to police an individual, which is the crux of contention for these topics. Many women still hold on to the idea of finding a partner that is wealthier and more educated. This is due to the past (over)reliance of their partners for stability. But this is no longer true. Th…
> But in 10-20 years women will out number men in many fields requiring higher education The irony is, that those white-collar higher education jobs might be the first to be replaced by AI, and in the end not result in high income. We might be looking at a future where a builder, plumber, craftsman etc. will be high up in income and status. I'm curious to see if women with high education but low income would suddenly…
Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios
#377This is a known issue but the down stream effect won’t be felt for a while. Let’s be clear we’re talking about general behavioral trend, not trying to police an individual, which is the crux of contention for these topics. Many women still hold on to the idea of finding a partner that is wealthier and more educated. This is due to the past (over)reliance of their partners for stability. But this is no longer true. Th…
Added bonus of selecting for the 0.01% of men: if you're extraordinarily lucky to secure him, you have a new problem: the man has options.
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#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
You attract what you advertise for. If you're advertising flashy, high-spending lifestyle, that's who you'll attract. But the women who are looking for long-term stability will stay away. And vice versa. Of course, if you want the not-high-spending women, you need to have something other than money and flashy lifestyle to offer. I think some guys get hung up there.
It's interesting that future security, free time to spend with your partner and do housework, and hobbies don't count as something to offer (at least relative to a flashy lifestyle). But, yes, a guy needs to find an effective angle that's in demand on the relationship market.
To be fair, it would also be hard to sell "someday I will have a ton of cash to waste on flashy spending."
But you can have hobbies and work/life balance now, and that can be attractive, albeit in a quieter way.
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#379All the data is good, but the way it is framed is a bit misleading. First, lets get one thing straight: dysfunction in the dating world negatively affects both men and women. So framing it as "men floundering, women most affected" is disingenuous. What is it about the prospects a man has that he has no desire to become desirable? If men's lives are less rewarding wouldn't it be them, not the women, that are the most…
> So framing it as "men floundering, women most affected" is disingenuous. My 2c as a gay man that has many women as friends. They aren’t looking for “status” they are looking for someone who is emotionally intelligent. And thinking that gaining status is how to gain women is pretty much the opposite of that. Patriarchy hurts both sexes. By thinking of status and power as avenues to sex you stunt your ability to conn…
https://unherd.com/thepost/is-wokeness-killing-the-marriage-...
Two of the most important trends in American life are the increasing tendency for women to identify as liberal, and the increasing intolerance shown by liberals to their ideological opponents. These trends are no doubt related, since women are more ideologically intolerant than men. Put together, they spell trouble for the future of marriage in the US.
[...] the 2020 American Perspectives Survey revealed that 79% of Democratic women and 48% of Republican men would be unwilling to date someone with a different view of Trump.
No discussion of dating trends can be complete without this.
Re: Dating, education, and sex ratios
#380All the data is good, but the way it is framed is a bit misleading. First, lets get one thing straight: dysfunction in the dating world negatively affects both men and women. So framing it as "men floundering, women most affected" is disingenuous. What is it about the prospects a man has that he has no desire to become desirable? If men's lives are less rewarding wouldn't it be them, not the women, that are the most…
>Maybe men use porn and play videogames not because they'd rather have that than a real relationship, but because modern relationships don't offer much more than that. When exactly have relations ever offered much more than that, realistically? Relationships have always (since love marriages became common at least, which is actually relatively recent, historically) offered some rosy vision of love and affection and f…