Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Reddit Doubles Down

platformer.news

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

401–410 of 462 posts

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#401

Post by goykasi »

theossuary wrote: post #17
over_bridge wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This point has been discussed to death already. Reddit is extremely reliant on a small percentage of users who moderate and post content. Those are the ones being impacted and complaining the loudest. The majority of users just passively absorb the work of the few.

Not to mention most all subreddits had votes beforehand that were overwhelming in favor of going private or read only. This isn't a small group unilaterally deciding to take reddit down. This is akin to a union holding a vote and overwhelmingly deciding to strike.

But do we actually know that it isnt a small group unilaterally deciding to take reddit down? From all of these threads about reddit recently there is a lot speculatively statements pointing to heavy support of this boycott. But there is never proof provided to support these statements when requested.

What percentage of users actually voted in the polls? If its not a significant portion of the sub-reddit population, was the poll even valid? But a sub-reddit may have still taken action: "90% voted yes... but less than 5% voted" hmm?

I personally dont like the official apps or new.reddit, but I think Im part of the minority. It wouldnt surprise me to find out that most users dont actually care about the API price increase, because they use the default homepage and mobile apps. In that case, this boycott would actually be creating a degraded experience for them and negatively impacting their opinions of the moderators that are complaining and making polls to shut it down.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#402

Post by dredmorbius »

ent101 wrote: post #68

I highly suspect anything critical of Reddit is being flagged to death on HN. This post was #1 with more than 100 upvotes in 39 minutes. Now it keeps going lower and lower.

That's most probably based on member flags, not moderator action.

Note that HN also deprecates stale stories, where "stale" includes "ongoing discussion of some present drama", e.g., bitcoin and NFCs last year, or GPT currently.

dang's discussed this occasionally, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35463948>

HN specifically doesn't moderate posts critical of YC company down, though Reddit's so long out of the gate I'm not sure that still applies. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35463948>

There've been 116 stories mentioning "Reddit" with > 20 votes between 2023-5-13 and 2023-6-14.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1686720501&dateRange=custom&...>

I'm doing analysis based on HN front page listings and could update that to see what the actual surviving front-page story count is. It's been ... fairly substantial.

Fewer than 3% of submissions make the front page, and that's exclusive of spammed or moderated content.

Update / Edit:

There've been 16 front-page stories on Reddit since 31 May beginning with "Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36141083>).

As compared with prior years, the 2023 mention rate is well above both the 5- and 10-year history (showing year and HN front-page mentions of "Reddit"):

  2007 41
  2008 31
  2009 15
  2010 44
  2011 41
  2012 46
  2013 28
  2014 27
  2015 27
  2016 19
  2017 15
  2018 15
  2019 12
  2020 24
  2021 12
  2022 13
  2023 21
(Source: own data & analysis based on a crawl of all HN front-pages through 2023-06-13.)

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#403

Post by lolinder »

duck wrote: post #366
strunz wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without getting too political... Musk is just following President Trump's playbook. Everything you said describes the same way he behaves.

I don't think Trump invented this playbook if that is what you're saying - the power hungry have done this forever, but we can now just see it all in real time.

What made Trump different, and what these other leaders are following, is that he chose to put it out in the open. It wasn't something that just happened with changing tech, he did it on purpose.

With a leader like Steve Jobs you got a lot of rumors about callous behavior in private but got a polished exterior. Trump upended that when he became popular by being publicly crass.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#404

Post by dimmke »

CSMastermind wrote: post #64

> A number of Snoos have been working around the clock, adapting to infrastructure strains, engaging with communities, and responding to the myriad of issues related to this blackout I find a CEO referring to their employees as 'Snoos' to be offputting personally. I'm sure it's meant to be a fun and inclusive term but the guy is sending out a pretty serious email that ends in, "I am sorry to say this, but please be m…

It reminds me of that movie Spy Kids where the villain kidnaps people and turns them into these teletubby like creatures.

Looking back, that was kind of some heavy body horror for a kids movie.

But yeah, “Snoo” is easily the worst tech company name for their employees I’ve heard. I had no idea Reddit had an internal name for their employees. This is way worse than “meta mates” or whatever Zuckerberg ended up coming up with.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#405

Post by theshrike79 »

drdaeman wrote: post #336
gardnr wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you checked out lemmy yet? https://join-lemmy.org/instances

What's to see there? I hate to admit, but this comment pretty much sums it up: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/209870 (first part talks about communities in general, the rest is about r/Dota2 in particular - but can mostly be applied to most other subreddits) I really don't want it to be like this, but it sums up perfectly how I feel about it. I'm not on Reddit to make posts - about 99.999% of time I don't have anything t…

> I'm not on Reddit to make posts - about 99.999% of time I don't have anything to post, and those five minutes a year when I possibly do aren't today.

I hope Reddit did their due diligence in this. My feeling is that the people who found a 3rd party client and even paid for it are the ones in the 0.001% who produced the content for the rest of the people.

But we'll see in a few weeks if /u/spez starts forcing subreddits to open.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#406

Post by pcurve »

raincole wrote: post #99
whatsuphotdog wrote: post #40

I love that the CEO calls the users voicing their displeasure "noise". When those users voice opinions on other things, it's called content. When those users voice their opinions against reddit, it's noise. Hoffman continues to display a fundamental misunderstanding of what Reddit is. The very people that give your platform its value are revolting against you, and you think it's noise. What's your product? What do yo…

My personal (cynical) bet is that Huffman actually understands what Reddit is better than us, and Reddit will be just fine after this. To be completely honest, if a two-day blackout is proven to be the most serious "protest" the community can do, I'll buy Reddit stock when it IPO.

He could use it as an excuse to restructure the Mod authority, flagging it as shareholder risk. And that will kick off the slow demise.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#407

Post by drdaeman »

theshrike79 wrote: post #405
drdaeman wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's to see there? I hate to admit, but this comment pretty much sums it up: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/209870 (first part talks about communities in general, the rest is about r/Dota2 in particular - but can mostly be applied to most other subreddits) I really don't want it to be like this, but it sums up perfectly how I feel about it. I'm not on Reddit to make posts - about 99.999% of time I don't have anything t…

> I'm not on Reddit to make posts - about 99.999% of time I don't have anything to post, and those five minutes a year when I possibly do aren't today. I hope Reddit did their due diligence in this. My feeling is that the people who found a 3rd party client and even paid for it are the ones in the 0.001% who produced the content for the rest of the people. But we'll see in a few weeks if /u/spez starts forcing subred…

> My feeling is that the people who found a 3rd party client and even paid for it are the ones in the 0.001% who produced the content

Random data point: I paid for Apollo Pro (not Ultra - it didn't have any features that I wanted), and turns out I've lied about 99.999%, it was more like eight nines as I have a Reddit account since 2011 and my only post ever was on r/KeybaseProofs. I thought I had some questions that I've wanted to post, but it seems that I've always solved them without ever posting, just searching for answers harder - so my memory had failed me.

Apollo is convenient and features were totally worth the money. Even for someone who only browses and posts only comments. The official app is no good.

So... I don't know. I share your hopes that everyone else is not like me (but then why no one is posting on Fediverse?)

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#408

Post by tarsinge »

was8309 wrote: post #344
wolverine876 wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's as if the CEO is purposefully being as belligerent as possible to rile people up. The CEO is following the new leadership playbook, which you should recognize by now, as it's used by Musk, crypto leaders, Zuckerberg, and many more inside and outside of tech. * Fundamentally it's just following the social (media) trend: Demonstrate brazen, over-the-top arrogance, disregard for consequences, and no empathy. I'm…

I'm very interested in the recent origins of this playbook. 'never apologize, never explain' is really old, but it seems to be a thing now

This is a public speech playbook to influence a crowd. You need to reach a large audience on your own terms without being challenged. It was not applicable through traditional media, and public speeches occasion with a large audience were very rare. Social media made it possible 24/7. Also the previous US president proving it works was a turning point.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#409

Post by 8ytecoder »

nunez wrote: post #397
a2tech wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a $4/month product ALL ready that removes ads and gives you more features. Making that a requirement to use the API is by FAR the simplest and most profitable option. Its also more profit then they're proposing to get from their API charges

I would have had no issue paying $10/mo for the Reddit API. Wouldn't have even thought about it. I'll go out on a limb and say that most Apollo/3P users would've done the same thing. Really sucks that they chose death instead.

Yup, before all this nonsense I was voluntarily paying for Reddit premium to support Reddit. I had no interest in any of their premium features - Apollo already had no ads and that’s all I cared.

Re: Reddit Doubles Down

#410

Post by n1c »

bshipp wrote: post #230
CommitSyn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they're broke and reddit is soon to be bankrupt. But even so, if they had just said that, the outcome would be so much different. Because as of now it seems like they're fucking people over for the sake of fucking them over.

If they're broke than they should have first stopped self-hosting videos and images. I can't believe their API call cost is more excessive than their video and image hosting costs.

There's a subtlety that seems to be getting skipped over quite frequently. It's not "the cost of the API call". It's "the opportunity cost of that user not coming to our main website".
Post reply on HN