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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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There was a snarky comment in the IAMA when spez said "old.reddit.com isn't going away", and the person responded with a link to spez saying the exact same thing with the exact same words about the API 6 years ago. Google's "don't be evil" had to go away too. Capitalism can't make room for considerations such as proliferation of evil.

> Capitalism can't make room for considerations such as proliferation of evil. People only believe in corporate slogans when they can use them to make cynical points about abandoning them, but nevertheless, these things exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation

That was legitimately interesting, thanks.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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No but they still need mods. Otherwise the quality will quickly go so far downhill that no one wants to see use it anymore.

Is finding mods something hard to do?

For major subs, absolutely. Take /r/videos for example. What's to stop bots from uploading porn to /r/videos at breakneck pace? You need a small army of moderators to close the floodgates. It might not happen immediately, but eventually, there will be massive spam submitted to default subreddits with new moderators.

Moderation takes time and unless Reddit is going to pony up $$$ to pay mods to sweep in on short notice, then I suspect people who casually volunteer will quickly be overwhelmed.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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User redesigns are the main killers of websites. Consider the following examples: Digg, MySpace, Reddit, Slashdot, Facebook, Dropbox, and Typeform. These projects, among others, ultimately failed due to a misconception that they had a design problem or a desire to keep their design department occupied. Instead of following a clear vision, these projects were sacrificed in an attempt to please all users. HN should ref…

Slashdot attempted a redesign, but there was a revolt (the slashcott) where everybody refused to discuss anything except for their dislike of the redesign, and - after a week or so - the site relented and didn't go ahead with the change.

The real cause of the decline of slashdot, in my opinion, was the corporate buyout and departure of CmdrTaco, Hemos, and the rest.

For what it's worth, the site is still going, there's usually at least 1 story with >100 comments on the first page, at least when I've taken a look.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand that its over. This week is critical to save your personal narrative. No matter what really happened; always tell people you are the person who invented the like button at facebook, not the one who decided to band porn on tumblr.

If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, ignore every carping user and stay laser-focused on that IPO. Being well-liked and poor is waaay worse than being rich and hated. Stay strong

> Being well-liked and poor is waaay worse than being rich and hated.

Only if you're an egotistical sellout.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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He was correct to do this, because it was funny. Any true longtime forum poster would recognize this. (Conversely, if it wasn't funny, he should've done it differently.) Although doing Lowtax things may lead to turning into Lowtax, which is probably bad. I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was. All serious problems with websites are revenue issues or legal issues.

It wasn't funny, and he didn't make any jokes. He edited "fuck spez" comments to remove spez and substitute other mods. Fuck r/the_donald - but that's just blatant admin power misuse to deflect criticism. Very topical with all the "fuck u/spez" comments going around these days. https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-stev...

Admin abuse is inherently funny. It's like slapstick. It was funny on SA when the users paid to sign up in the first place, and it can only be more so when they're not even paying customers.

Should've made it a wordfilter though. Those are more participatory.

(You won't take this advice, which is why I've run a large popular internet forum before and you haven't.)

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Is there any good reads wrt the blowback on cost of the API? I've only read that it costs $0.25 per 1000 calls which seems relatively cheap, but I haven't looked into how it affects use cases.

There is more to it than the amount Reddit demands now. One huge issue is that it's a very sudden move.

30 days is not enough time to change apps business models (with existing paying customers in the mix). Additionally it seems reddit made promises in the beginning of this year that they wont monetize API access.

Reddit does not want to find common ground with 3rd party apps and make money with them, it wants them out of the market ASAP.

The issue even extends to non-mobile users that are afraid now that old reddit will be chopped for better monetization etc.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Current ads at Reddit are not that bad, it is nothing like youtube which is borderline unwatchable at the moment. But for Reddit general there is like lot of astroturfing currently and if Reddit could start capturing some value from that and same time show for regular user that this is commercial/pr account would be win-win for Reddit and regular users.

I would bet money that Reddit has the highest percentage of ad blocking users. Either by way of browser extension or third party apps. They just don't have enough impressions to cover the outlandish costs associated with running the site. Combined with lax content moderation policies, advertisers see more value going with third parties that can push a viral story about a product to the homepage. There is no one probl…

They could turn off video and image uploads and reduce server costs substantially. Remember when you couldn't directly upload a video to Reddit and everything was a link to YouTube, Vimeo, or Dailymotion?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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I think some context you might be missing is the intimate connection between Reddit and YC. Reddit is a YC story[1][2] and the founders even claim that Reddit was the first YC Company to launch[1]. As far as I understand it Reddit was one of those key early startups that Paul Graham modelled future YC around. Further reddit co-founder Aaron Swartz, rest-in-peace, was a and highly inflential in his contribution to RSS…

> I think some context you might be missing is the intimate connection between Reddit and YC. Reddit is a YC story[1][2] and the founders even claim that Reddit was the first YC Company to launch[1]. As far as I understand it Reddit was one of those key early startups that Paul Graham modelled future YC around. Reddit is definitely a YC story, and so is HN. But Reddit isn't HN's story. It's one of many. Except the fr…

It will pass. A lot of HN users are Reddit users. It’s natural for there to be overlap. Let us nerds mourn the decline of our meme sanctuary & things will return to normal.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Digg was also killed by a user-hostile redesign. Reddit was wise enough to keep its redesign indefinitely optional, at least.

There was a snarky comment in the IAMA when spez said "old.reddit.com isn't going away", and the person responded with a link to spez saying the exact same thing with the exact same words about the API 6 years ago. Google's "don't be evil" had to go away too. Capitalism can't make room for considerations such as proliferation of evil.

Google actually never officially got rid of their “don’t be evil” phrase, even if I agree with you that they are far worse at adhering to it than they used to be, and I suspect too many of their current executives have no attachment to it beyond not wanting the pointless employee morale or PR hit of actually removing it.

The reason people think it got removed is two events:

One, when Google Inc reorganized to create its Alphabet Inc corporate parent in 2015, the “Don’t be evil” motto stayed with the Google LLC subsidiary that still today handles most of what we associate with the name Google. For Alphabet, they added “Do the right thing” instead of moving “Don’t be evil” to the new top of the corporate hierarchy.

Two, in 2018 they moved Don’t be evil away from the preface of Google’s code of conduct. But they moved it to the last sentence, which is at least far more prominent than burying it in the middle, let alone removing it entirely.

I used to work for Google years ago, before all of the events I’m discussing and with no personal connection myself to those events. (Obviously I’m speaking only for myself here and not for them.) I think nowadays their level of morality as an organization is slightly better than or comparable to most other prominent tech megacorps, whereas they used to be atypically much better than that. The same deterioration has occurred in how good or bad of an employer they are - they used to be great, but now they’re slightly better than or similar to most other prominent tech megacorps. Still not worse than their peers in either morality or employee experience. But as much as “don’t be evil” is still officially there. It’s definitely far less of a corporate focus than it used to be, which I find quite sad.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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I am wondering, HN can spawn a few subreddit like channels maybe with Image, Video support later. HN is the best place in internet that encourages good discussions, reddit communities can vastly benefit from the familiar UI experience, good enough backend. Maybe all the mods can write a petition to create HN communities and foster the communities here. Lemmy, kbin are all fine but come on I'll take HN any day over others. Am I missing something?
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