Nothing will come out of this, in the same way that nothing came out of the “walkouts” on Facebook’s wall redesign and Instagram’s feed redesign from chronological to algorithmically-curated. And as a matter of fact user engagement increased with those changes.
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#892Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and why would I trust angry activists over Reddit's own internal analysis? This is literally authortiarianism and the problem is that you can use it to justify any change by any company ever. They're the owners so they know better because they're the owners. No move can be criticized. It turns out that you end, like many that defend this and is irrationally against others protesting, with a comment about how it doe…
>This is literally authortiarianism and the problem is that you can use it to justify any change by any company ever. If trusting people with the strongest financial incentives to have the correct beliefs is "authoritarianism", then I'm an authoritarian. If there are betting markets out there that say that Reddit is going to crash and burn, then I'll trust them too. But the rando with an angry, self-interested opinio…
>If trusting people with the strongest financial incentives to have the correct beliefs is "authoritarianism", then I'm an authoritarian.
They're not the correct beliefs. They're just actions that they're doing and knowing the inner context would allow you to glean whether it's correct or not. I think you probably have not worked in big organizations and had enough insights on how decisions are made, even in self professed data driven companies. People and politics matter. The best decision is not always taken or not always clear. Sometimes it's all about someone's short term or their ability to sell something to someone with power.
You're authortiarian through and through though and it's good you admit it frankly because it means that there's no need to try and debate you further. "They're right because they're right".
> If there are betting markets out there that say that Reddit is going to crash and burn, then I'll trust them too. But the rando with an angry, self-interested opinion on the internet? Yeah they'll have to satisfy a pretty strong evidentiary burden before I trust them over someone with actual skin in the game
Lol at the C.R.E.A.M attitude without a bit of nuance.
In any case, you've ruled yourself out as someone who can talk about this issue since you have "no skin in the game". You have nothing to contribute except "trust the experts".
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#893Reddit has been purging subs and users with reckless abandon for some time now as they cleaned up the place in the name of "community safety" (aka advertisers). I guess the monetized government kids that stayed believ(ed) they were the good ones, the worthy ones. If y'all think it will end at the API changes, you'll be sorely be disappointed.
>I guess the monetized government kids that stayed believ(ed) they were the good ones, the worthy ones. Yep, this is the great irony. When capitalist logic was being used to justify Reddit going after hate speech, powerusers loved it. When it's being used to justify closing API access, they hate it and the rhetoric shifts entirely. We'll see the same thing when Reddit starts tightening the screws further on NSFW cont…
> When capitalist logic was being used to justify Reddit going after hate speech, powerusers loved it.
Correction. Those who didn't love it were banned or left or were censored out of default views.
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#894Earlier quoted context omitted.
And do they want to put in the same effort to curating those communities as the moderators there've just overruled? Communities can thrive or fail depending on who is in charge. (What happened with regard to the mod banning an artist because they thought their art looked like it came from an AI? Last I heard the artist was able to show their workflow but the mod was unwilling to back down…)
Didn't both KotukuInAction and TheDonald get shut down by the sub's original creators due to them going off the rails and then forcibly re-opened by the admins and handed over to new moderators who were happy with the massive growth in a direction the original owner never intended and actively did not want?
No.
TD was quarantined under false pretenses (ironic ones too, since a very pro police sub was accused of being anti police) and then basically killed while pretending it was alive.
KIA is alive but heavily muzzled by admins on some topics such as a prohibition to mention trans in any shape or form. The mod takeover was because the original founder who didn't use the site took over it once and destroyed it something.
There's been other cases where founders wreck havoc after years of not being active and were removed.
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#895I scrubbed and deleted my account. I’m done. They will have to make major changes in their trajectory for me to consider making a new account. It’s even less about the API changes than the way that they treated Christian Selig, a CEO throwing an indie dev in the mud like he did is disgusting and doesn’t give me hope for the site improving for anyone other than investors and advertisers.
This actually makes me sad. Over the year Reddit became a treasure trove of great and diverse information and thinking it could just disappear like that makes me so sad.
A large amount of it (I think they were going for all) has been saved by /r/datahoarder. So I wouldn't worry about it disappearing. It'll likely end up on archive.org at some point.
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#896They put an impressive amount of work into that site. There are notifications and an autoupdating counter, and even a livestream. https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247
It’s honestly better for subreddit discovery than anything reddit has made in the last 5 years. Off topic, but giant lists of things are seriously underrated. I’d speculate that a large majority of the sites with a “Recommended for you” section would be much better served by a giant list.
In which case, could I interest you in a list of lists of lists?
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#897Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reddit is not going to change. It seems quite a few people don't mind being abused a bit to get the convenience they want. Nothing's going to happen.
I am not so sure that I agree here. What's interesting about reddit is that it is one site with very different UIs. The official reddit app has a focus on video/images and looks to be in competition with TikTok. old.reddit.com and Apollo are very much text centric apps. From my understand, reddit has a traffic breakdown of 50/50 on the text centric vs. visual centric UIs. With the UIs like Apollo being killed, and ol…
They killed compact a few months ago, in light of recent events probably to drive people to the "official" apps
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#898Earlier quoted context omitted.
Meh, Twitter and Reddit monetize just fine with ads. The problem comes in with VC expectations where everything must 1000x or die. These are not bad businesses, they're just small compared to Facebook or Google. What's needed is mature leadership that recognizes the value comes from the community, and following the private equity playbook of strip-mining the value is short-sighted.
I think we have to stop chasing growth like this. It's destructive to many things.
on of my favourite books is "Small Giants: Companies That Choose to Be Great Instead of Big" by Bo Burlingham. It's worth a read if this is something that interests you.
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#899Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many of us are quitting Reddit for good on June 30 when Apollo and the other third-party apps are killed. This week's strike is just a warning shot across Reddit's bow.
I don’t believe that for a hot minute. These peoples’ identities are so wrapped up in Reddit it’s be like amputating a limb. No way.
I will definitely not use it on mobile anymore. I was already using it very casually, because even the alternative apps are very clunky. If I had to use an even worse app, or god-forbid a mobile browser I would just stop.
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#900I honestly didn't expect this from Reddit. It seems like investors are really tightening their grip and they are banning subreddits and long-time users who oppose these changes left and right. I built a free API emulating the Reddit API[1]. It was returning the same data as the existing publicly accessible .json endpoints on reddit.com (for example https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps.json ). They not only block…
I like the message is You have been banned "for breaking reddit." Not the reddit terms and conditions, just reddit itself :D