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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by t00ny »

pugworthy wrote: post #734
_b wrote: post #139

I think a "down-vote everything" strike could be highly successful. As long as enough users participate, it could cripple subs whose moderators didn't choose to participate. And it is fitting. Reddit is trying to charge its users for content and data created for free by its users, so why shouldn't users make that data junk for awhile to make a statement?

RIP anyone's karma on comments or posts

I’ve been on Reddit for more than 13 years and I never cared about karma. Why would anyone care about this?

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by zouhair »

pkju62dqmx wrote: post #821

I scrubbed and deleted my account. I’m done. They will have to make major changes in their trajectory for me to consider making a new account. It’s even less about the API changes than the way that they treated Christian Selig, a CEO throwing an indie dev in the mud like he did is disgusting and doesn’t give me hope for the site improving for anyone other than investors and advertisers.

This actually makes me sad. Over the year Reddit became a treasure trove of great and diverse information and thinking it could just disappear like that makes me so sad.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by acyou »

I would also like to add that the dark side of this protest seems to be the "walled garden"-ization of Reddit. It's entirely possible that post-protest, the website or particular sections of the site and users will continue on in a Private mode where accounts, authentication, credentials, verification are required for creating and consuming content to a larger extent than before, and content is not visible or linkable to or from this and other sites.

That will probably have a knock-on effect across the entire Internet. If users start to accept, for instance, account creation as the cost for entry for consuming content, the Internet will become a very different place. Reddit is one of the only big sites where you don't need an account to consume content, and there are tons of links in and out of the website. Is that about to change?

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by marcosdumay »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #335
dasil003 wrote: post #327

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Meh, Twitter and Reddit monetize just fine with ads. The problem comes in with VC expectations where everything must 1000x or die. These are not bad businesses, they're just small compared to Facebook or Google. What's needed is mature leadership that recognizes the value comes from the community, and following the private equity playbook of strip-mining the value is short-sighted.

> problem comes in with VC expectations where everything must 1000x or die Is "VC" tech's catch-all for capitalism? Reddit is pining to go public and Twitter just LBO'd. Neither is having its chain yanked by venture capital.

> Is "VC" tech's catch-all for capitalism?

No. It's a term specific for those investors working with: I don't expect you to survive, but if you don't get at least 10000% of return, you could as well be dead.

Almost all of capitalism works differently.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by yanderekko »

Eisenstein wrote: post #584
yanderekko wrote: post #176

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>I guess the monetized government kids that stayed believ(ed) they were the good ones, the worthy ones. Yep, this is the great irony. When capitalist logic was being used to justify Reddit going after hate speech, powerusers loved it. When it's being used to justify closing API access, they hate it and the rhetoric shifts entirely. We'll see the same thing when Reddit starts tightening the screws further on NSFW cont…

> When capitalist logic was being used to justify Reddit going after hate speech, powerusers loved it. So, being anti-hate-speech is a bad thing, to you?

Hypocrisy is a bad thing to me. "No bad tactics, only bad targets" is a bad thing to me.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by zouhair »

barbazoo wrote: post #721
wasyl wrote: post #485

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This is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/ueQfJsc.png . Huge cookies popup, I don't even see one full post immediately. When scrolling the feed I mostly see 2 posts, sometimes a bit of a third one. With old.reddit.com it's a compact list where you see a lot more content at once. Also I found reading comments in new UI to be terrible, they load maybe one comment from 2-3 levels down, and everything else requires you to…

You're right, the comments being collapsed is annoying. The sidebars you can get rid of though iirc.

And when you use RES[0] there are hundreds of other tweaks for the old.reddit.com that makes it a million time more easy to use.

[0]: https://redditenhancementsuite.com/

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by yanderekko »

michaelmrose wrote: post #759
yanderekko wrote: post #277

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>Nobody believes they have a right to reddit When people castigate the mere idea that Reddit should be trying to guarantee a return to its investors - and I can point you to examples of this if you wish - it's hard to interpret this as anything other than people saying that their interest to unfettered API access is more important than the interest that investors have in a positive ROI. I guess you could say that thi…

Users are deciding whether or not they should trade their comments, moderation, and submissions to reddit in exchange for the platform reddit provides. Anything that would take functionality or access away isn't "evil" it merely decreases the value proposition potentially putting it below a threshold where its not worth bothering to provide the content that make's reddit worth visiting leaving the shell of reddit own…

>Anything that would take functionality or access away isn't "evil" it merely decreases the value proposition potentially putting it below a threshold where its not worth bothering to provide the content that make's reddit worth visiting leaving the shell of reddit owned by its corporate overlords worth little.

Sure, this would make sense, but obviously there's a lot of moralized rhetoric being thrown around here which go beyond a dispassionate expression of "if you do this Reddit will no longer be personally valuable to me and I will leave." Uncharitably, people are trying to wrap up their ill-based moral indignation in these dispassionate expressions - "if you do this than I'll be so outraged that Reddit will no longer be personally valuable to me and I will leave." The moral indignation still lacks justification, though.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by chambers »

Thuggery wrote: post #770
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #518

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Disagree with this for lots of reasons: 1. First, look at the incentive structure for being a mod of a large subreddit: it's a ton of work, with people constantly bitching at you, for no compensation. The vast majority of people with a life are not going to want to do this. So of course it appeals to people who can power trip off it, and I can't see those dynamics really changing. I do think that reddit should change…

> it's a ton of work, with people constantly bitching at you, for no compensation. One of my favorite things about Mod self pity that always seems to come up is this insinuation that they did not want the job. The literal opposite of reality. All mods BEG to be mods. They lobby and work hard to get into their jobs and jealously guard them. They deeply resent and fear the idea of the community operating without them.…

Thank you for coining the term "mod pity". It makes me think about roles where people, myself included, have sought the pity of others as a shield against criticism.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by skinnymuch »

HWR_14 wrote: post #649
tiedieconderoga wrote: post #540

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>But imagine taking a resilient business like a McDonald's franchise and subjecting it to Musk levels of chaos. I dunno, look at private equity buyouts, which Twitter kind of resembles—Musk somehow convinced banks and Twitter itself to foot most of the bill for his purchase. The whole point is to avoid putting money into the prey company by saddling it with debt, while you squeeze every last cent of value out of its…

Musk put over $20 billion of his own money into Twitter. If I put 10% of my net worth in a project, I care how it turns out.

> If I put 10% of my net worth in a project, I care how it turns out.

Good for you and Musk! So proud of people who can put money into something and lord over it because of capitalism.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by specialist »

TX81Z wrote: post #257
foobarbecue wrote: post #209

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Exactly. I'm headed back to wikipedia, where I found community as a teenager. I think you can draw a direct line from wikimedia's nonprofit status to 22 years of greatness and steady improvement.

A friend there once told me the exec-level staff basically just does what the users want and they lack any real “authority” over the site. However, the drawback is they had a lot of great ideas for improvements but the power users throw a fit over any changes.

> ...power users throw a fit over any changes.

Such a freq complaint it's a cliché.

Certainly been true for every software product and service I've worked.

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