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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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2 years ago is ancient for a feature that was supposed to be delivered in 2016?

They are trying to build something that has never been built before, and your criticism is that they are late?

Yes, since they've been selling cars claiming it would be ready for the last 7 years.

Nobody else is doing that, and I resent their beta-testing features with the rest of us there as unwilling participants.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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>> because differences in funding costs, risk preferences etc. can lead to inefficiencies in the real world that a state actor could bridge. I don't understand, could you elaborate?

For example: corporations have a lot of secondary objectives beyond profit such as limited volatility of profits that can suppress beneficial activities. State actors can take different risks and absorb such volatility by funding activities and then recovering via taxes (simplistically). In the financial markets this gets often arbitraged away, but in slow and high cost markets, those arbitrageurs aren't necessarily…

Yes, market friction like what you note is possible. But in theory, those points of friction and inefficiency can be overcome by the market with innovations in financial instruments.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I'd be happy with a self driving car that could just safely stay in a single lane on a freeway for an hour in good weather while I did something else.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Perhaps that we do not need the same standard of living

Sure, you give up your fridge and your washing machine first and I'll do it next. What's that? Silence?

I do not use a washing machine, but that's not the point. Do I need to have some sort of primitive lifestyle to dare say a lot of what we have shouldn't be a guarantee? Don't understand why you need to get aggressive.

I didn't even mention these which are likely far from the priority or realistic, what about one day shipping?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Anyone who is knowledgeable about the subject knows it is not. They’re not even in the same league, it’s really laughable.

Than why is Mercedes able to sell me a system where I can legally watch youtube, etc. while in traffic on a highway without being liable for anything happening and at least 10s until I have to take over control of the car while Tesla can't?

Because it's a party trick that requires a vehicle in front for tracking and can only be used under 40 mph on the highway. It's a joke.

I can do the same thing. Why can Tesla offer FSD beta which can drive around on any roads while Mercedes can't?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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After a recent 3 week driving trip through Europe, I can anecdotally back this up. It’s not even the manual transmission, but also the much smaller roads with no shoulder where at times you meet a car, have to slam on the brakes, and decide in the moment whether you or the other car will back up to a turn out. You have to pay constant attention and there’s little room for looking at phones, eating, etc. In the US we…

This is backed by infrastructure studies. It's called traffic calming and it's done on purpose in places with advanced infrastructure such as the Netherlands.

In the same vein, I encourage neighbors to park their cars on the street rather than in their garage or driveway so the neighborhood street becomes narrower for traffic due to a row of parked cars on each side of the street. Works better than posted speed limit.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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For the ship to come back to port, someone has to want it to come back to port.

I guess you don't know anyone that makes under $50k/yr. in the US. I'm guessing you probably just associate with other high-paid techies who can't understand why commoners just can't "eat cake". Trust me: when a bus route is shut down because rich people sniffle at a 0.2% tax for something they'd be too embarrassed to use, thousands suffer. If you've never had to switch from a 30 minute bus ride to a 1hr bus ride bec…

You're certainly doing a great job making public transportation sound appealing to us "techies".

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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This FUD is insane. You make it sounds like Tesla's with FSD on are crashing all the time. This makes no sense at all, because... they aren't?

Teslas with FSD are disengaging all the time. And even worse, it's not always FSD initiating: often times it's FSD not realizing it's about to do something wrong, the humans take over, and then them brushing it off as "well it's a beta" or "I bet it would have gotten it but I wasn't so sure". Getting to a point where Mercedes can guarantee their system will correctly initiate disengagements and do so with a 10 second…

Yup Mercedes should be applauded for accepting liability.

Tells me what I want to know about which system is safer.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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You are clearly trolling rather than trying to understand different points of view. I know it can be fun to be in the pro or anti Tesla camp and run around responding to anyone pro Tesla with your small set of points. But it didn’t progress anyone’s understanding of things. You don’t learn anything and everyone dismisses your views as zealotry. Why not try to engage with the points? Has Mercedes tested this? What evi…

I’m using sarcasm, sure. But do you think it’s unwarranted when I’m against arguments how only person driving the car could be affected by FSD or that self driving is an AI problem? I assume you either don’t argue in good faith, or have understanding of the problem area from following Musk’s and his influencer’s tweets. But I agree with you, it’s not productive. I’ll take my “small set of points” about such an irrele…

Note you still didn't answer or provide any evidence of "Safety Engineering" from Mercedes. Just the usual Tesla trolling.

AI is the approach that Tesla, Waymo, Nvidia, Cruise, Comma, and even Mercedes are taking. So to ask the question one last time (third time lucky) - How is Mercedes validating the data they use for training without "Testing in Prod" as you criticise Tesla for.

Either: They aren't, in which case your whole rant on the lack of "Safety Engineering" at Tesla is moot, because Mercedes is rolling out essentially untested AI systems.

OR

They are validating their data in real life just like Tesla do, in which case your whole rant on the lack of "Safety Engineering" at Tesla is moot, because Mercedes is just as bad and supposedly have "Safety Engineering" in your opinion.

This is why I keep asking, and this is why you keep not answering.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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> When I say destroy the cities I mean to include the populations in them Pol pot? Is that you? > It seems to be jarring for them to see their own policies of openly promoting the destruction of others lives Says someone who just proposed mass extermination of billions of people?

I explicitly stated we'd create government policies which would result in cratering their population just like we did in rural areas. Are you imagining rural areas in the US were "mass exterminated?"

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